Nobody needs to tell me that the “grooming gang” issue in the United Kingdom is “different than Epstein.” I have never conflated the issue with “Epstein,” nor have I claimed there is nothing that differentiates the issue from Epstein — despite social media naggers telling me for the past several days that I have somehow conflated “grooming gangs” with Epstein.
There is plenty of evidence men from Central/South Asia in particular lack respect for women's autonomy. They are rightly seen as incompatible foreigners. But I hate when rightwingers co-opt blatant leftist framing of sex scandals when it benefits them. In the old days, inter-ethnic relationships were scandalous enough, but today you need to be able to claim "predatory" behavior, so they lean into leftist rape theory. It's annoying and dangerous for civil liberties.
"Victims" of what? It's left deliberately ill-defined, thanks to the deliberate ambiguity of the "grooming" context. Victims of rape is a lot different than victims of some unspecified "trauma."
It’s most useful to think of this practice not so much as pedophilia - a bizarre fetish -- but as economically rational whoremastering. Pakistani pimps focus on recruiting very young postpubescent English girls because they are so naive.
As we’ve seen in recent years, Muslim male-chauvinist cultures that treat females like dirt tend to nurture males who have a knack for living off women’s earnings. Thus, Albanian pimps have come to dominate the European sex-slave trade. And the various Chechen layabouts who have been in the news in America since the Boston bombing have displayed a remarkable gift for getting attractive women to throw their lives away on them.
In contrast, women-respecting Swedes seldom make talented pimps.
In the many Pakistani grooming cases in England, Ali G types would convince silly little white girls that they were their boyfriends, provide them with drugs, then browbeat them into proving their love by having sex at a party with all the pimps’ Uncle Jamaals.
The genius of the system is that the pimps don’t pay the girls, not even their room and board. After each party, they dump them back at their moms’ council flats.
Is this rape?
Of course. These girls are adolescents, far too young to give consent to being gang-banged.
So I think the forced prostitution element is the crux of what makes these crimes so egregious and alien to British society. And this is what a proper investigation should focus on, not vague claims of "grooming" or "trauma". I imagine the victim numbers would be far lower if the nature of the crimes was adequately and stringently defined.
I think there was also more to it than girls being targeted for their naivete. Many were not living in council flats but in the care system, having already experienced abuse and/or dysfunction with their birth families. It's not necessarily naivete that is being sought but vulnerability, an unstable identity, and a lack of family structure/support.
No sane person thinks unlawful intercourse is rape. Pedophilia is not a behavior. The age of consent in the UK is 16. Sure 16 and 17 year old girls can consent to getting gangbanged.
The official Rotherham report of 2014 reported 1,400 victims in 1997-2013 in Rotherham alone, a city so insignificant that I had never heard of it before 2014. (I kept telling my correspondents that they are misspelling Rotterdam.)
The official Telford Report of 2022 reported over 1,000 victims in Telford over the last 40 years.
There have been massive scandals in many other towns in the northern half of England, but few other official reports attempting to add up the damage: it's a gigantic scandal that the authorities have been trying to downplay for a generation.
I doubt if they add up to 250,000 but 25,000 sounds like slam dunk.
Why am I on substack telling Steve Sailer to bother to read the link that Michael Tracey provided? What a weird time to be alive.
"If you would like a full explanation of why the “250,000 raped girls” figure is completely fake, please read this guy’s Substack, which goes through the fakeness of the figure in admirably meticulous detail."
The numbers can't be determined. That's the real point. Michael can peacock here about inflated numbers and people he doesn't like continuing to highlight them. But the real story is the British system's inability to recognize or confront these criminals because of its ideological self-straitjacketing.
I'm most grateful that Rupert Lowe exists, have read a great deal about him and am thrilled he's so specific about the deadly government orchestrated flood of Islam. I had no idea that Musk was involved with him. As to Farage, I had great hope for him when he first emerged years ago but he caved as most do. Among other things he thinks it's fine to partner with Muslims--so I have no interest in him.
Tracey arguing that the 250,000 figure is inflated is analogous to holocaust revisionists who argue that the 6 million figure is inflated, and that the real figure is closer to 3 million, or even as low as the hundreds of thousands. What's the difference? It is still industrial-scale murder. Suppose the underage British girls who were raped by Tracey's implicit definition (i.e. involving the use of physical force and/or threats of physical harm to the girls or their families) number in the thousands or tens of thousands. It is still disgusting, and the propensity of Pakistani Muslims, or Muslims in general, to engage in such activity is indicative of barbarism and savagery that is unacceptable in a civilized country.
The difference is holocaust numbers are well founded and these rape gang numbers aren't and this entire article is about how statistics are being weaponized to create moral panics
What’s thin skinned or attention seeking about pointing out that the claims in this report are obviously false? I don’t see how that relates to personal sensitivity or attention-seeking at all. Do you mean because he spends half of it defending himself from accusations of bias etc.?
Comments like this cause more readership of Michael Tracey. You're obviously unimaginative and boring and have never written anything anyone would be interested in spending their time reading. Seriously, Michael Tracey is a great writer and communicator through not just his writing but he knows how to speak, too, having a true imagination and flair for just pulling out the right word from his gargantuan vocabulary. Most people who comment like you are just intimidated. Michael has every right to investigate what he wants, to pull in factual truths with support and supposition, and to even have an opinion on his topics. If you don't like reading him, then don't. Go elsewhere. You're so childish, and you said nothing in your comment, just throwing verbal barb nonsense. Shows what's in your brain. NOTHING.
Now I'm definitely going to read this whole piece!
Thanks for your usual astute analysis Michael. Having been personally impacted by the sex prosecution machine (in Australia) AND having an academic interest in criminology, I'm grateful for you calling out the this BS for what it is. This is about expanding punative power of the state & social control. It's a about power masquerading as victimhood. The terrifying thing, is the creep it has. Criminal justice policy, is meant to be blind. The downstream effect is, as you point out, groups meant to be protected by sex crime legislation, end up being harmed by it. Kids being labelled a sex offenders is a good example. From my perspective as a Marxist feminist, it concerns me that women are increasingly being indicted for sex crimes. While I sometimes feel isolated in m world view, it seems blatantly obvious that charging a female teacher with sex offences against 16 year male, is straight out feminist backlash. AND some of the biggest proponents of these kinda charges, are women themselves (same as the trans women are women feminists I imagine). People often tell me "well you don't have kids...imagine if your son went to school and had sex with a 25 year old teacher". My response is a 16 year old doesn't belong to his/ her parents, isn't a thing to have proprietary ideation about. Risk vs protective factors is absent from conversations about "children" and sexual behaviours.
Reading your work is both personal and political for me. And I'm so happy you have a broad audience to speak to
Get ready for more waves of bullshit to be flung in your direction, since apparently that’s what the internet is for.
Everyone who is unimpressed with this state of affairs is yearning for those old days where all the stupid news was stuck in magazine tabloids to be ready by hypochondriac middle aged housewives on the toilet.
I did follow this case fairly closely 10 years ago.
The worst part of this story is not the number of girls victimized (which seems to have been grossly exaggerated in the report), but the abject failure of UK authorities. We can plainly see that UK authorities treat perps of color much differently than they do white perps. Girls and their families who sought support from police and social services were denied adequate assistance. I don't know whether this is because of white guilt, or because those in a position to render aid shared the same cultural background as the accused, and viewed the girls as trollops, who deserved nothing but contempt.
NO need to put in disclaimers, it has become quite obvious we live under rape hysteria, and it has taken over the Western world. Agreed there may be isolated incidents but by & large the 'rape grooming gangs' is pure bullshit, like the Epstein hoax and the menopausal $MeToo agenda there is simply NO evidence of most of these claims. NO probable cause may not fit the legal definition of a FALSE charge but... but in 98% of the cases IT DOES. The FACT that 97% to 98% of rape/SA/ claims have ZERO evidence & NO probable cause militates towards most of them being LIES. Politics factors into all of this. If you're anti-Zionist or anti Islam, chances are you're on board with FALSE rape reports, FALSE rape statistics and FALSE definitions of rape. I DON'T believe ANY of Cosby's accusers, I DON'T believe ANY of Weinstein's accusers, I DON 'T believe ANY of Trumps accusers, nor do I believe ANY GROUPIES or AGING PROSTITUTES who cry rape on celebrities. Nor do I believe ANY w0e-MAN who cries rape. NO bruises, NO ripped clothing, NO rape kits, NO hospital reports, YOU LIED... even if they made police reports... I still DON'T believe ANY w0e-MAN who cries rape. "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS" Check my notes
LOL. Pure propaganda. w0e-MEN call the police at the drop of a dime. w0e-MEN call the police all the time. Like Karens. Even look at a w0e-MAN the wrong way she'll call the police. Happens all the time in domestic violence cases even when w0e-MEN are the aggressors in 70% of the cases according to a Harvard medical study which found that 70% of unreciprocated domestic violence is perpetrated by the w0e-MAN on the MAN. Even then they flip the coin and accuse the MAN. Finally, most of these accusers are in 'consensual' relationships with the MEN they accuse... so it wouldn't make sense that they would jump in the shower out of scorn because they're in relationships with these guys already
LOL. MORE propaganda. MOST claims of "I was drugged" are also LIES. Fact is sex & drugs & rock & roll happens but most of the time it is consensual. Cosby is a perfect example of LYING WHORES making a FALSE drug claim, when in fact it was consensual and they kept going back. So, while there are some real cases where someone was drugged, MOST drug taking is consensual. A toxicology report in a timely manner, along with credible story, times, dates, etc. would be how a real case can be proven. Fact is claiming "I was drugged" is one of the many ways w0e-MEN LIE now
It happens so fast & violent they go into shock. It’s a real thing. There’s a lot of weirdos out there.
About this phenomena of troubled girls getting groomed and “going back for more” I wouldn’t believe it either if I hadn’t seen it up close. It’s troubled girls that are the most vulnerable, especially ones that are prone to disassociation.
There are approximately 3.2 million girls aged 13 to 16 in the United Kingdom.
"More than 450 victims formally reported sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile. Following major police and charity investigations, authorities received hundreds of claims. Some estimates and charity reports suggest the total number of victims could actually be higher than 500, with over 1,000 potential reports linked to his actions.
However, no direct victims reported being sexually abused after their deaths, as necrophilia involves the abuse of corpses. However, the 2014 official inquiry into Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust examined incredibly harrowing, unconfirmed allegations that Savile committed sex acts on dead bodies in hospital mortuaries where he had unrestricted access"
Jimmy Saville was unjustly maligned by a parade of LYING WHORES. LOL. Now I know you're gullible & naive. Jimmy Saville is INNOCENT., ALL those hoes LIED. They targeted him because he looked weird. You're an idiot. 100's of w0e-MEN making meritless accusations against a weird looking MAN with ZERO evidence is EXACTLY what a pandemic of FALSE rapes are. Only MORONS would believe a parade of w0e-MEN ALL accusing the same high-profile MAN with ZERO evidence. Please don't respond you're an idiot. I don't like to dialogue with IDIOTS. ANYONE who believes 100's of w0e-MEN making baseless accusations against a high-profile MAN with ZERO proof is... an... IDIOT!
right, and that photo of Shani Louk's dead body in nothing but a pair of panties in the back of a truck was fabricated. And the reported increase in the incidence of rape in the wake of mass immigration from predominantly Muslim countries in Western Europe is also fake. On the other hand, the story that the Israelis trained dogs to rape Hamas prisoners, for which there is no evidence, is totally true.
Very fair analysis.
There is plenty of evidence men from Central/South Asia in particular lack respect for women's autonomy. They are rightly seen as incompatible foreigners. But I hate when rightwingers co-opt blatant leftist framing of sex scandals when it benefits them. In the old days, inter-ethnic relationships were scandalous enough, but today you need to be able to claim "predatory" behavior, so they lean into leftist rape theory. It's annoying and dangerous for civil liberties.
So, what _is_ the official estimate for the number of victims?
"Victims" of what? It's left deliberately ill-defined, thanks to the deliberate ambiguity of the "grooming" context. Victims of rape is a lot different than victims of some unspecified "trauma."
Statutory rape is rape.
I explained what's going on way back in 2013:
It’s most useful to think of this practice not so much as pedophilia - a bizarre fetish -- but as economically rational whoremastering. Pakistani pimps focus on recruiting very young postpubescent English girls because they are so naive.
As we’ve seen in recent years, Muslim male-chauvinist cultures that treat females like dirt tend to nurture males who have a knack for living off women’s earnings. Thus, Albanian pimps have come to dominate the European sex-slave trade. And the various Chechen layabouts who have been in the news in America since the Boston bombing have displayed a remarkable gift for getting attractive women to throw their lives away on them.
In contrast, women-respecting Swedes seldom make talented pimps.
In the many Pakistani grooming cases in England, Ali G types would convince silly little white girls that they were their boyfriends, provide them with drugs, then browbeat them into proving their love by having sex at a party with all the pimps’ Uncle Jamaals.
The genius of the system is that the pimps don’t pay the girls, not even their room and board. After each party, they dump them back at their moms’ council flats.
Is this rape?
Of course. These girls are adolescents, far too young to give consent to being gang-banged.
https://www.takimag.com/article/the_real_threat_to_british_elites_steve_sailer/
So I think the forced prostitution element is the crux of what makes these crimes so egregious and alien to British society. And this is what a proper investigation should focus on, not vague claims of "grooming" or "trauma". I imagine the victim numbers would be far lower if the nature of the crimes was adequately and stringently defined.
I think there was also more to it than girls being targeted for their naivete. Many were not living in council flats but in the care system, having already experienced abuse and/or dysfunction with their birth families. It's not necessarily naivete that is being sought but vulnerability, an unstable identity, and a lack of family structure/support.
No sane person thinks unlawful intercourse is rape. Pedophilia is not a behavior. The age of consent in the UK is 16. Sure 16 and 17 year old girls can consent to getting gangbanged.
The official Rotherham report of 2014 reported 1,400 victims in 1997-2013 in Rotherham alone, a city so insignificant that I had never heard of it before 2014. (I kept telling my correspondents that they are misspelling Rotterdam.)
The official Telford Report of 2022 reported over 1,000 victims in Telford over the last 40 years.
There have been massive scandals in many other towns in the northern half of England, but few other official reports attempting to add up the damage: it's a gigantic scandal that the authorities have been trying to downplay for a generation.
I doubt if they add up to 250,000 but 25,000 sounds like slam dunk.
Why am I on substack telling Steve Sailer to bother to read the link that Michael Tracey provided? What a weird time to be alive.
"If you would like a full explanation of why the “250,000 raped girls” figure is completely fake, please read this guy’s Substack, which goes through the fakeness of the figure in admirably meticulous detail."
https://hereticalinsights.substack.com/p/were-250000-english-girls-raped-by
The numbers can't be determined. That's the real point. Michael can peacock here about inflated numbers and people he doesn't like continuing to highlight them. But the real story is the British system's inability to recognize or confront these criminals because of its ideological self-straitjacketing.
I'm most grateful that Rupert Lowe exists, have read a great deal about him and am thrilled he's so specific about the deadly government orchestrated flood of Islam. I had no idea that Musk was involved with him. As to Farage, I had great hope for him when he first emerged years ago but he caved as most do. Among other things he thinks it's fine to partner with Muslims--so I have no interest in him.
Tracey arguing that the 250,000 figure is inflated is analogous to holocaust revisionists who argue that the 6 million figure is inflated, and that the real figure is closer to 3 million, or even as low as the hundreds of thousands. What's the difference? It is still industrial-scale murder. Suppose the underage British girls who were raped by Tracey's implicit definition (i.e. involving the use of physical force and/or threats of physical harm to the girls or their families) number in the thousands or tens of thousands. It is still disgusting, and the propensity of Pakistani Muslims, or Muslims in general, to engage in such activity is indicative of barbarism and savagery that is unacceptable in a civilized country.
The difference is holocaust numbers are well founded and these rape gang numbers aren't and this entire article is about how statistics are being weaponized to create moral panics
Tracy is having a moral panic about populists.
The Rotherham report figure was a controversial guesstimate. I can send you my 2014 critique if you're interested - can't upload it here.
Reflexively contrarian, enbarassingly thin skinned, unceasingly attention seeking.
You're too kind.
What’s thin skinned or attention seeking about pointing out that the claims in this report are obviously false? I don’t see how that relates to personal sensitivity or attention-seeking at all. Do you mean because he spends half of it defending himself from accusations of bias etc.?
Comments like this cause more readership of Michael Tracey. You're obviously unimaginative and boring and have never written anything anyone would be interested in spending their time reading. Seriously, Michael Tracey is a great writer and communicator through not just his writing but he knows how to speak, too, having a true imagination and flair for just pulling out the right word from his gargantuan vocabulary. Most people who comment like you are just intimidated. Michael has every right to investigate what he wants, to pull in factual truths with support and supposition, and to even have an opinion on his topics. If you don't like reading him, then don't. Go elsewhere. You're so childish, and you said nothing in your comment, just throwing verbal barb nonsense. Shows what's in your brain. NOTHING.
Now I'm definitely going to read this whole piece!
He'll be glad to know, I'm sure, that the depth and rationality of his writing resonates with the astrology crowd.
‘Splain in detail.
Thanks for your usual astute analysis Michael. Having been personally impacted by the sex prosecution machine (in Australia) AND having an academic interest in criminology, I'm grateful for you calling out the this BS for what it is. This is about expanding punative power of the state & social control. It's a about power masquerading as victimhood. The terrifying thing, is the creep it has. Criminal justice policy, is meant to be blind. The downstream effect is, as you point out, groups meant to be protected by sex crime legislation, end up being harmed by it. Kids being labelled a sex offenders is a good example. From my perspective as a Marxist feminist, it concerns me that women are increasingly being indicted for sex crimes. While I sometimes feel isolated in m world view, it seems blatantly obvious that charging a female teacher with sex offences against 16 year male, is straight out feminist backlash. AND some of the biggest proponents of these kinda charges, are women themselves (same as the trans women are women feminists I imagine). People often tell me "well you don't have kids...imagine if your son went to school and had sex with a 25 year old teacher". My response is a 16 year old doesn't belong to his/ her parents, isn't a thing to have proprietary ideation about. Risk vs protective factors is absent from conversations about "children" and sexual behaviours.
Reading your work is both personal and political for me. And I'm so happy you have a broad audience to speak to
You had me at Language Genocide. Great analysis, as well.
"You had me at Language Genocide." -- how every successful first date ends.
Why not report and skip the endless and useless retorts to critics?
Then it would become obvious that MT is full of it.
Get ready for more waves of bullshit to be flung in your direction, since apparently that’s what the internet is for.
Everyone who is unimpressed with this state of affairs is yearning for those old days where all the stupid news was stuck in magazine tabloids to be ready by hypochondriac middle aged housewives on the toilet.
Proudly didn't read this, I just wanna say that I fully stand by Mickey's pro-rape stance.
Convince me otherwise!
I love your Poe's Law parody...
Thanks for your contribution to the debate, MT. Unapologetic, articulate, up-yours(ish) and very welcome.
I appreciate Michael’s willingness to go against the broad consensus.
This article really needed an editor, though.
Way too long.
I did follow this case fairly closely 10 years ago.
The worst part of this story is not the number of girls victimized (which seems to have been grossly exaggerated in the report), but the abject failure of UK authorities. We can plainly see that UK authorities treat perps of color much differently than they do white perps. Girls and their families who sought support from police and social services were denied adequate assistance. I don't know whether this is because of white guilt, or because those in a position to render aid shared the same cultural background as the accused, and viewed the girls as trollops, who deserved nothing but contempt.
NO need to put in disclaimers, it has become quite obvious we live under rape hysteria, and it has taken over the Western world. Agreed there may be isolated incidents but by & large the 'rape grooming gangs' is pure bullshit, like the Epstein hoax and the menopausal $MeToo agenda there is simply NO evidence of most of these claims. NO probable cause may not fit the legal definition of a FALSE charge but... but in 98% of the cases IT DOES. The FACT that 97% to 98% of rape/SA/ claims have ZERO evidence & NO probable cause militates towards most of them being LIES. Politics factors into all of this. If you're anti-Zionist or anti Islam, chances are you're on board with FALSE rape reports, FALSE rape statistics and FALSE definitions of rape. I DON'T believe ANY of Cosby's accusers, I DON'T believe ANY of Weinstein's accusers, I DON 'T believe ANY of Trumps accusers, nor do I believe ANY GROUPIES or AGING PROSTITUTES who cry rape on celebrities. Nor do I believe ANY w0e-MAN who cries rape. NO bruises, NO ripped clothing, NO rape kits, NO hospital reports, YOU LIED... even if they made police reports... I still DON'T believe ANY w0e-MAN who cries rape. "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS" Check my notes
They don't got to the doctor after the rape they go home and take a long shower & cry. No?
LOL. Pure propaganda. w0e-MEN call the police at the drop of a dime. w0e-MEN call the police all the time. Like Karens. Even look at a w0e-MAN the wrong way she'll call the police. Happens all the time in domestic violence cases even when w0e-MEN are the aggressors in 70% of the cases according to a Harvard medical study which found that 70% of unreciprocated domestic violence is perpetrated by the w0e-MAN on the MAN. Even then they flip the coin and accuse the MAN. Finally, most of these accusers are in 'consensual' relationships with the MEN they accuse... so it wouldn't make sense that they would jump in the shower out of scorn because they're in relationships with these guys already
If they still calling the police on you put more GHB next time ❤️
LOL. MORE propaganda. MOST claims of "I was drugged" are also LIES. Fact is sex & drugs & rock & roll happens but most of the time it is consensual. Cosby is a perfect example of LYING WHORES making a FALSE drug claim, when in fact it was consensual and they kept going back. So, while there are some real cases where someone was drugged, MOST drug taking is consensual. A toxicology report in a timely manner, along with credible story, times, dates, etc. would be how a real case can be proven. Fact is claiming "I was drugged" is one of the many ways w0e-MEN LIE now
It happens so fast & violent they go into shock. It’s a real thing. There’s a lot of weirdos out there.
About this phenomena of troubled girls getting groomed and “going back for more” I wouldn’t believe it either if I hadn’t seen it up close. It’s troubled girls that are the most vulnerable, especially ones that are prone to disassociation.
There are approximately 3.2 million girls aged 13 to 16 in the United Kingdom.
"More than 450 victims formally reported sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile. Following major police and charity investigations, authorities received hundreds of claims. Some estimates and charity reports suggest the total number of victims could actually be higher than 500, with over 1,000 potential reports linked to his actions.
However, no direct victims reported being sexually abused after their deaths, as necrophilia involves the abuse of corpses. However, the 2014 official inquiry into Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust examined incredibly harrowing, unconfirmed allegations that Savile committed sex acts on dead bodies in hospital mortuaries where he had unrestricted access"
Jimmy Saville was unjustly maligned by a parade of LYING WHORES. LOL. Now I know you're gullible & naive. Jimmy Saville is INNOCENT., ALL those hoes LIED. They targeted him because he looked weird. You're an idiot. 100's of w0e-MEN making meritless accusations against a weird looking MAN with ZERO evidence is EXACTLY what a pandemic of FALSE rapes are. Only MORONS would believe a parade of w0e-MEN ALL accusing the same high-profile MAN with ZERO evidence. Please don't respond you're an idiot. I don't like to dialogue with IDIOTS. ANYONE who believes 100's of w0e-MEN making baseless accusations against a high-profile MAN with ZERO proof is... an... IDIOT!
One rightoid on Substack repeatedly describes the claims of Lowe's report as 'genocidal rape'. We need a pithy term for concept inflation.
And lest we forget, this is the exact same fakery employed by Israel when fabricating the Hamas rape story
right, and that photo of Shani Louk's dead body in nothing but a pair of panties in the back of a truck was fabricated. And the reported increase in the incidence of rape in the wake of mass immigration from predominantly Muslim countries in Western Europe is also fake. On the other hand, the story that the Israelis trained dogs to rape Hamas prisoners, for which there is no evidence, is totally true.
Someone check this guy's hard drive