I don’t understand your point. Are you saying the conviction for sex trafficking was wrong and Epstein was innocent? What about the Maxwell conviction, then? What about the state case 10 years before? Are you saying there were no clients, or there was no underage sex, no island? I don’t get it.
Ok, very well said, and nothing objectionable here. Now I’d like to hear you debate Whitney Webb about the meta question of whether there is any There there with Epstein, whatever the legal cases revealed. I know with your bud Glenn she is persona non grata, but here’s an opportunity to set an example of engaging with people with whom you disagree (I assume you do disagree that she has something to say). I hope you do.
I find it interesting how Webb and Tracey are polar opposites on Epstein when they’re probably the two most consistent anti-partisan cynics in the political commentary sphere. Webb vs Tracey on this issue feels like the NBA Finals of political BS detectors
Yeah I dunno, Tracey from what I can tell, seems to think that the only important information on this issue can be found in court documents, and he can disregard everything else as wild conspiracy theories. It's just a massive failure to consider the available evidence.
Plus if Epstein was innocent of all these sex-trafficking conspiracy charges, then why didn't he just get his lawyer buddy Dershowitz to get him off the hook like Dershowitz did for himself. Why would Epstein supposedly kill himself? Makes no sense.
As far as I can tell Tracey isn't denying that Epstein was a pedophile who abused underage girls, he's simply pointing out there 's no real evidence for anything beyond that.
Just sounds like no scandal is wasted. For better or for worse, either outcome, is predetermined. Even if Epstein conspiracy was true, nothing came from it, if it wasnt true, it was used to manipulate the masses in order to scapegoat “Trump” and make a hero.
You have to fish through them to find the spots where they talk about each other.
Credit to Joy Gray for having them both on. This is rare when it comes to a addressing specific arguments by the actual proponents of those arguments and getting into the weeds. But even Gray did not have them on at the same time. The Soho Forum is a model to follow in this respect, not necessarily in a debate format.
Webb’s criticism is that the Intercept did not follow, and pretty much exists not to follow, the Wikileaks model of putting as much as possible out there, with only appropriate redactions (I might be adding this part), for all journalists, historians, etc. to use and publish as they see fit. Instead, the Intercept, and then Greenwald himself, essentially privatized the Snowden files when there is reason to think there is more in them that should be published in the public interest.
Greenwald disagrees and claims that the lion’s share of what was newsworthy was published. While Greenwald has integrity, this is not sufficient, in my view, to justify refusing to allow other journalists to look at what else might be there.
Greenwald also claims that his deal with Snowden prevented him from being more liberal with the documents Snowden disclosed. This is fine as far as it goes but we have the right to question whether this kind of private contract, so to speak, should be permitted to trump the public’s right to know, and how seemly it is for a journalist to accept these kinds of restrictions. We also don’t know what the restrictions are.
I’m also still not completely clear what happened to the files after Greenwald left the Intercept. Greenwald claims that they were too expensive to maintain given the technology and energy necessary to ensure they are secure against hacks. But I do not remember from his Joy Gray interview what, if anything, he said happened to the files other than that they were no longer available due to cost. I don’t think he suggested either that the Intercept still has them, or that he still has them himself, or that they were destroyed, but he should explain this part in more detail.
At any rate, the idea that they were too expensive to maintain begs the Wikileaks question of whether it is justified to secure the files against other journalists. And with respect to the expense, if Wikileaks could archive transparently, why not the Intercept or Greenwald? The Intercept being owned by a billionaire doesn’t make this look better.
It was my understanding that Glenn followed Snowden's instructions on the handling of this info. I understand why Whitney Webb wants to see them, but Snowden gave up his life in the US to expose it, and his wishes should be respected.
Red Brown apparently didn't read Mr. Tracey's article. Red says to Mr. Tracey:
"Here’s an opportunity to set an example of engaging with people with whom you disagree."
But Mr. Tracey states that he's flooded with people who violently disagree with him:
"I’m aware that most people on the internet violently detest my views on this subject. Commenters have been bitterly outraged everywhere I’ve appeared lately."
I mean it's pretty clear you are just being asked to put down the Epstein scandal because you apparently believe he was innocent. Which is absolutely mind-boggling to me, considering the mountains of circumstantial evidence pointing to his guilt and special treatment by everyone in power, but how is that so unexpected? You are telling the story everyone in power wants you to tell, "We are all innocent, Epstein killed himself, nothing to see here."
What has been omitted from this article is Epstein plead guilty to soliciting sex with a child in Florida in 2008 and was given essentially a slap on the wrist for this crime, serving his sentence primarily at home. Was he setting his like-minded friends up with underage girls? I don’t know and I agree with you there has to be evidence to back that claim up. I understand how stories like these can take on a life of their own and become hysterical.
But what I don’t understand is why (to use an obvious example) a person with the power of Prince Andrew would have paid anyone a dime if these accusations were totally groundless. Why would he have associated with a man like Jeffery Epstein? Is he that hard up for friends? “To be done with this scandal” is lame if he and the royal family knew Andrew to be innocent. Perhaps many consider this valid but to many others it’s an admission of guilt and it laid the foundation for what followed.
Jeffery Epstein’s “punishment” - sitting in his mansion in Florida - and Prince Andrew’s hush money are, as usual, a nice reminder to the rest of us the rich and well connected never suffer the consequences (much less a jail sentence) of exploiting those who are not rich or well connected.
I never heard of Patel, Bondingo, or Bondi before they were appointed to their current positions. I have watched the interviews now currently on the internet of the AG stating the evidence was sitting on her desk and making statements indicating the physical evidence of video tapes and documents was extensive so I find it difficult to blame anyone or infer they are dumb for believing she was telling the truth.
The prosecutor who administered the slap on the wrist said he was told to go easy on Epstein because he was connected to "intelligence." It's enough to make one suspicious that he wasn't just diddling underage girls for fun.
I’m pretty broad minded but I would definitely not hang out with a convicted pedophile. I generally like to see them locked away for life or executed. Clinton, and others, seemed to flock to him. Why??
Tracey's argument: "They talked to you about Epstein, and now they don't release anything, so that means there was nothing!"
Yes, that's exactly how it works, total honesty. Right?
He just happened to kill himself right when the cameras were turned off and the guards wouldn't go their round. In a prison run by a Black woman, the most loyal leftist group of people.
Oh yeah, and his phone calls from prison were all erased by the police and the FBI. Imagine that. "Nothing to see here!"
Jeffrey Epstein did not show any suicidal tendencies. There is no real proof that he tried to commit suicide earlier. Guards were supposed to check on him every 15 minutes, but this was stopped, and his cellmate was removed.
Three cameras didn't work, and the guards falsified patrol records. They were charged for this serious offense, but the charges were dropped.
Immediately after his death Bureau of Prisons officials declared that it was a suicide.
But doctors who saw the autopsy and the records of broken bones in the neck say this pointed to murder, not suicide.
Suicide prevention coordinator Robert Nagle visited the prison, and reported that the FBI had removed a video of the incident. He was not allowed to conduct formal interviews with staff.
The NYT did not report that Epstein's lawyer paid money to his cellmate Efrain Reyes for unknown reasons. Reyes was moved to a minimum security prison for cooperative witnesses. He was released because of corona and died five months later, supposedly from corona.
Reyes' niece said he repeatedly doubted whether the six-foot tall Epstein could have hanged himself from the bunk frame. Federal prosecutors refused journalists' request about information and kept all records of Reyes' death sealed.
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Epstein was charged in California thanks to the work of ordinary police. Then the prosecutor did everything to sabotage the case, refusing to call the victims. Except for one case, a girl who had written only about getting money from the case. U.S. attorney Alex Acosta said that Epstein shouldn't be touched because "he is intelligence." Obviously not U.S. intelligence. But Israel's.
Epstein's lawyer, the Jewish Zionist Alan Dershowitz, has specialized in attacking the victims and attacking the police, trying to dig up dirt on them to use in court. He did that against the victims and police in this case. Alan Dershowitz is riding high in establishment circles, with ties to the Trump sphere.
Ann Coulter has recounted how Epstein was protected. The Jewish Democratic prosecutor Barry Krischer simply called the girls "prostitutes" and only charged Epstein with one count of soliciting prostitution, despite the mountain of evidence collected by the police. Ann Coulter has a long account of how the case was mishandled:
Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter exploded in rage. (Meanwhile, Epstein claimed to be the victim of an anti-Semitic conspiracy on Palm Beach.) Chief Reiter wrote an open letter to Krischer asking the Democrat to remove himself from the case. Then he turned to the Bush administration to seek justice against a Democratic donor/accused child rapist.
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When Cassell and Edwards filed their case, they included the claims of various Epstein victims, who reported that the men at “Orgy Island,” where underage girls were being used as “sex slaves,” included Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz and Prince Andrew.
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This is how the modern American media work: I’ll tell the same story that we’ve been frantically suppressing for a decade, connect it to Trump — and win a Pulitzer Prize!
Here is MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell describing Epstein a few weeks ago in a single segment:
“… a friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein …
“… child sex trafficker and child rapist and friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein …
Epstein got off with having to only spend nights at the prison while he got to spend the days at his office. Imagine that.
Epstein's handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of a banker who was Israel's top spy in Britain. When he was charged for fraud he "fell off his yacht" and drowned so he couldn't talk. He was flown to Israel, where his funeral was attended by six present and former heads of Israeli intelligence.
Epstein's buddy Ehud Barak, the Israeli prime minister, entered his mansion at the same time as young girls.
Married Israeli politician Ehud Barak is seen hiding his face entering Jeffrey Epstein's NYC townhouse as bevy of young beauties were also spotted going into mansion
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Epstein claimed to be an investor, but he only really invested for Lex Wesner, who was part of a group of wealthy Zionist investors with ties to Israel. Wesner gave Epstein the largest private home in New York:
As Bloomberg states, “Today, so little is known about Epstein’s current business or clients that the only things that can be valued with any certainty are his properties.” According to a document submitted in advance of Epstein’s bail hearing, his Manhattan townhouse is estimated to be worth around $77 million. Then there are the properties in New Mexico, Paris, the U.S. Virgin Islands, his private jet, a fleet of 15 cars, and a Palm Beach compound estimated at $12 million.
But even the real-estate holdings have an air of mystery to them. Epstein purchased, or received, the Manhattan townhouse from Wexner around 1998. But there were no property records on the mansion’s transfer until 2011, when the company Wexner used to buy the place transferred it to an Epstein-owned company for $0. Epstein signed the document for both sides.
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Lex Wesner curiously got to buy Victoria's Secret for just one million dollars - a good way to get access to young women with little income in the modeling world.
He gave Epstein power of attorney over his finances, and Epstein lived with him for a while. He got to use Wesner's Victoria's Secret to claim to be an "agent" and then abused young models.
Wesner was one of the main donors to Jewish causes and rabbi schools.
MintPress speaks with Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli spy who worked closely with Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, as part of their work with Israeli military intelligence and had frequent encounters with Jeffrey Epstein.
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As detailed in a MintPress summary and commentary of that interview, Ben-Menashe claimed to have seen Jeffrey Epstein in the office of Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, several times in the 1980s.
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At the time, Ben-Menashe was in close contact with Robert Maxwell regarding their work mutual work with Israeli military intelligence. Maxwell, in addition to heading a media empire and being a one-time member of U.K. parliament, was a longtime operative for Israeli intelligence, so much so that his 1991 funeral was attended by no less than six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence as well as several high-ranking Israeli politicians and prime ministers.
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During the 1980s, as MintPress previously reported, Epstein claimed to have been an intelligence operative and so-called “bounty hunter” in the world of shadow finance. During this time, he was known to have developed close relationships with several British arms dealers, particularly Sir Douglas Leese. Thus, Epstein appeared to frequently be traveling between the Middle East and London, which is also supported by Epstein’s now-infamous Austrian passport which he was believed to have carried during this period of time.
Epstein and powerful politicians is that between Epstein and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Barak has claimed to have only met Epstein in 2002 and, from that point on, their relationship was very public, with Barak frequently visiting and even spending the night at residences owned by Epstein, including apartments where he housed the underage girls that he exploited.
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These Jews were Jewish supremacists, as recounted by Maria Farmer:
“So Jeffrey and Ghislaine they were at the estate, they came like three times to visit Wexner while I was there. And they would go meet with him and then they would come back.
And Ghislaine said they were working on all these Israeli charities for students and for, you know, Jewish people. And I remember thinking, oh that’s weird.
And she was like, “you don’t understand our loyalty to Israel, Maria. You don’t understand our loyalty.” She’s like, “unless you’re a dual citizen you just don’t get it”. She’s like, “your people could never understand.” She would say, “My people, your people, The Chosen Ones”, all that bullshit.
The alleged gunmen who killed the son of Esther Salas, the judge recently assigned to the Epstein-Deutsche Bank case, worked for a company of corporate spies and mercenaries with ties to intelligence and also to Deutsche Bank.
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Here is a list of all the famous people in photos with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine Maxwell went to Chelsea Clinton's wedding, for one thing. Now that establishment shills try to sweep Epstein under the rug, remember that he was right up there in the establishment.
Epstein’s private calendar included CIA Director William Burns, a Goldman Sachs’s Top Lawyer, Noam Chomsky, and more. Unfortunately the media link for this has been deleted, like so many other.
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After the conviction and the ridiculous "punishment" Epstein got, the Jews at National Review helped rehabilitate Epstein, who kept seeing top politicians.
After Jeffrey Epstein got out of the Palm Beach County jail in 2009, having served 13 months of an 18-month sentence resulting from a plea deal that has been widely criticized, he began a media campaign to remake his public image.
The effort led to the publication of articles describing him as a selfless and forward-thinking philanthropist with an interest in science on websites like Forbes, National Review and HuffPost.
The Forbes.com article, posted in 2013, praised him as "one of the largest backers of cutting-edge science around the world" while making no mention of his criminal past. The National Review piece, from the same year, called him "a smart businessman" with a "passion for cutting-edge science." The HuffPost article, from 2017, credited Mr. Epstein for "taking action to help a number of scientists thrive during the 'Trump Era'," a time of "anti-science policies and budget cuts."
All three articles have been removed from their sites in recent days, after inquiries from The New York Times.
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Never forget: the "principled conservatives" at NRO, including Rich Lowry, smeared the Covington Catholic kids before the facts were in but shilled for Jeffrey Epstein after he was convicted of soliciting sex from a minor.
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The Jewish billionaire Leon Black gave Epstein $158 billion for "tax advice" 2012-2017. He also brutally raped a girl at Epstein's mansion.
Arkansas cops rule as "suicide" the 2022 death of Clinton aide Mark Middleton who signed Epstein into the White House several times. HE was found SHOT AND TIED TO A TREE with an electrical cord around his neck - despite no sign of a weapon. "Suicide" said the investigators in the state where Clinton used to be the governor. This is similar to all the other cases of men who could have testified against the Clintons, who committed "suicide" like being shot in the chest and head several times or died of "accidents" like hitting his head in the rack of dumbbells and dying from that, always without witnesses.
Epstein visited Bill Clinton in the White House 17 times.
Kathryn Ruemmler, a White House counsel under President Barack Obama, had dozens of meetings with Epstein in the years after her White House service and before she became a top lawyer at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in 2020.
Epstein also planned for Ruemmler to join a 2015 trip to Paris and a 2017 visit to Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.
Leon Botstein, the Jewish president of Bard College, invited Epstein to to the campus. Epstein brought a group of young female guests.
Five underage girls had given police sworn statements that Epstein had sexually abused them, backed by 17 other witnesses, but when Krischer brought the case to the grand jury, weirdly, he allowed only one of the girls to testify — and then attacked her on the stand! (Epstein’s attorneys had helpfully provided Krischer’s office with the girl’s posts on MySpace, where she talked about boys and drinking, the little harlot.)
According to an extensive review by The Palm Beach Post, most of Krischer’s 2,800-page investigative file on the case consists of dirt against the teens — and against the police — given to him by Epstein’s lawyers.
The grand jurors, who’d been meticulously kept in the dark by Krischer, ended up voting only for a single charge of “solicitation of prostitution” against Epstein in 2006. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to five years’ probation. No jail time, no record as a sex offender — no criminal record whatsoever.
According to Nexis, only one newspaper, The Palm Beach Post, reported at the time — or ever — that Palm Beach prosecutor Krischer gave Epstein probation for his years of child abuse.
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U.S. attorney Alex Acosta proceeded to make a deal with Epstein — with Krischer essentially operating as Epstein’s defense counsel — resulting in a plea only slightly tougher than Krischer’s pat on the head.
According to journalist Vicky Ward, Acosta later defended this sweetheart deal to the Trump transition team, explaining: “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.”
Also odd how Tracey and all the other shills don't mention a single time that the trio of Epstein, his financier Lex Wesner and his handler Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of Israel's top spy in Britain, were Jews who targeted White girls. Ghislaine Maxwell got a helicopter license so she could fly girls to Epstein's island from Florida without records. She targeted impoverished White girls from Florida's trailer parks, the people cast aside when the nation is flooded by cheap Latino labor. She wanted blond White girls. So that the few times when there were brunettes, Ghislaine Maxwell wrote "brunette" in her notes.
These were racial supremacists, as shown by their talk about "the Chosen people" and their donations to Jew-only causes and rabbi schools.
If Whites had targeted only Black girls, that would be the first sentence in every single article about them, for decades. But when it's Jews targeting Whites, Tracey and the rest say nothing.
We even showed you an interview that Alina Habba, the Trump attorney who is now the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, appointed by Donald Trump, did with Pierce Morgan while she was in the government, just in February, where she claimed they have a whole bunch of very incriminating lists with shocking names. She said there's video and there are all kinds of documents that are shocking, in her words, and she said they're going to be released over time because we've gone long enough where people who do these sorts of things, including are involved in the Epstein scandal, have no accountability.
Not even. Just a rich philanthropist wanting to make the world a better place. His suicide was a loss to us all it seems. At least now Ghislaine can walk free. And all those silly people who wrote books about his Mossad connections and underaged girls etc. Idiots. That previous conviction for prostituting a minor 2008 was probably just a big misunderstanding.
It was all a stunt! There’s no list silly. Sure had me fooled.
I have a lot of respect for Michael Tracey and often find myself agreeing with what he writes. But just one question: if there is really nothing really going on here, what was the purpose of all of the visits of people to his "island" on the "Epstein Express", or did this actually not take place?
Your piece is, yet again, a disservice to truth, justice, and even common sense. Millions don't get paid out by banks, royalty, and elite when there is no evidenced validity to a claim. Just leveraging the avoidsnce of public drama doesn't reap such benefit (unless the potential for shame and disruption is real). Sure, some in the play overplayed their hand (exploitation seems an all-too-common trait on every side). So what? We're waiting...
People probably hate you because if you are going to defend powerful people accused of rather monstrous crimes, you should be REALLY sure you know what you are talking about. And I feel like the only way to come to that conclusion is just to ignore certain facts about Epstein. But hey, I can't really blame you, confirmation bias is pretty much the default mode for the human brain.
What one-sided garbage picking on someone who is now dead and can't defend themselves. There is nothing about the initial conviction and plea deal of Epstein in Florida, or Epstein's intelligence connections admitted by Acosta, and his connections to Robert Maxwell, a triple spy working for Mossad, MI6, and the CIA. There is nothing about the fake billions and the connection to the Modelling agency in Paris, whose owner also committed suicide after being arrested with Wexner. There is nothing about the thousands of pictures of celebrities with underage teenagers or the thousands of hours of horrific tapes of child abuse and rape seized by the FBI.
MAGA like Tracey are all there to deceive and give false hope that Trump, an outsider, would fix a broken system, but the fact is, Trump is part of the swamp like Tracey.
The testimonial evidence from the first case alone is clear that Epstein seduced - under the guise of paying $200 to 14 year olds for massages - many teen girls at least in Florida. And it is clear that Maxwell later helped 'traffic' victims for Epstein's insatiable sexual appetite for young teens. I think, given the degree to which such abuse can substantially affect a victim's psychological health for life, that it is only fair that they received payments from what you essentially frame as an opportunistic money pit.
The emphasis, which is personally what I find has really been lost in this matter, is on the clearly evidentially backed victims of Epstein. Just as you claim Giuffre is infallibly a fabricator due to that civil case with Dershowitz holding her to the standards of civil law, the same can be said in each case where there were payouts to victims. If a settlement payer decides not to go to trial, such as The Poor Prince, then they have decided to not hold themselves accountable and defendable under civil law - as Dershowitz DID.
Be that as it may, apart from your tendency to sully Epstein's victims as merely money hungry, I otherwise agree with you. Having read a great deal about this material, from court transcripts to Whitney Webb's quasi schizophrenic contagion by association books, there is no outward evidence from any of the victims apart from Giuffre regarding an intelligence honey-pot scheme (Mossad assumed). None of the girls in the Florida case claimed such third party trafficking.
You really should debate Whitney Webb about actual evidence rather than hearsay.
I haven’t even read this yet but thank you for writing this. Now that I’ve read this, I see why you’ve had some controversy. Do you have any comments on the recent 10x victim inflation reported by Ken klipenstien?
I don’t understand your point. Are you saying the conviction for sex trafficking was wrong and Epstein was innocent? What about the Maxwell conviction, then? What about the state case 10 years before? Are you saying there were no clients, or there was no underage sex, no island? I don’t get it.
Ok, very well said, and nothing objectionable here. Now I’d like to hear you debate Whitney Webb about the meta question of whether there is any There there with Epstein, whatever the legal cases revealed. I know with your bud Glenn she is persona non grata, but here’s an opportunity to set an example of engaging with people with whom you disagree (I assume you do disagree that she has something to say). I hope you do.
I find it interesting how Webb and Tracey are polar opposites on Epstein when they’re probably the two most consistent anti-partisan cynics in the political commentary sphere. Webb vs Tracey on this issue feels like the NBA Finals of political BS detectors
Yeah I dunno, Tracey from what I can tell, seems to think that the only important information on this issue can be found in court documents, and he can disregard everything else as wild conspiracy theories. It's just a massive failure to consider the available evidence.
Plus if Epstein was innocent of all these sex-trafficking conspiracy charges, then why didn't he just get his lawyer buddy Dershowitz to get him off the hook like Dershowitz did for himself. Why would Epstein supposedly kill himself? Makes no sense.
As far as I can tell Tracey isn't denying that Epstein was a pedophile who abused underage girls, he's simply pointing out there 's no real evidence for anything beyond that.
Just sounds like no scandal is wasted. For better or for worse, either outcome, is predetermined. Even if Epstein conspiracy was true, nothing came from it, if it wasnt true, it was used to manipulate the masses in order to scapegoat “Trump” and make a hero.
I only recently discovered Webb, what’s up with her and Glenn?
You can get an idea here (Webb):
https://youtu.be/sbtFUumXuK4?feature=shared
then here (Greenwald):
https://youtu.be/mb0AsUXxoGc?feature=shared
You have to fish through them to find the spots where they talk about each other.
Credit to Joy Gray for having them both on. This is rare when it comes to a addressing specific arguments by the actual proponents of those arguments and getting into the weeds. But even Gray did not have them on at the same time. The Soho Forum is a model to follow in this respect, not necessarily in a debate format.
Webb’s criticism is that the Intercept did not follow, and pretty much exists not to follow, the Wikileaks model of putting as much as possible out there, with only appropriate redactions (I might be adding this part), for all journalists, historians, etc. to use and publish as they see fit. Instead, the Intercept, and then Greenwald himself, essentially privatized the Snowden files when there is reason to think there is more in them that should be published in the public interest.
Greenwald disagrees and claims that the lion’s share of what was newsworthy was published. While Greenwald has integrity, this is not sufficient, in my view, to justify refusing to allow other journalists to look at what else might be there.
Greenwald also claims that his deal with Snowden prevented him from being more liberal with the documents Snowden disclosed. This is fine as far as it goes but we have the right to question whether this kind of private contract, so to speak, should be permitted to trump the public’s right to know, and how seemly it is for a journalist to accept these kinds of restrictions. We also don’t know what the restrictions are.
I’m also still not completely clear what happened to the files after Greenwald left the Intercept. Greenwald claims that they were too expensive to maintain given the technology and energy necessary to ensure they are secure against hacks. But I do not remember from his Joy Gray interview what, if anything, he said happened to the files other than that they were no longer available due to cost. I don’t think he suggested either that the Intercept still has them, or that he still has them himself, or that they were destroyed, but he should explain this part in more detail.
At any rate, the idea that they were too expensive to maintain begs the Wikileaks question of whether it is justified to secure the files against other journalists. And with respect to the expense, if Wikileaks could archive transparently, why not the Intercept or Greenwald? The Intercept being owned by a billionaire doesn’t make this look better.
It was my understanding that Glenn followed Snowden's instructions on the handling of this info. I understand why Whitney Webb wants to see them, but Snowden gave up his life in the US to expose it, and his wishes should be respected.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think this issue should be more thoroughly discussed by Greenwald (or Tracey) and Webb in open dialogue.
too hot to handle
Psychological warfare
Red Brown apparently didn't read Mr. Tracey's article. Red says to Mr. Tracey:
"Here’s an opportunity to set an example of engaging with people with whom you disagree."
But Mr. Tracey states that he's flooded with people who violently disagree with him:
"I’m aware that most people on the internet violently detest my views on this subject. Commenters have been bitterly outraged everywhere I’ve appeared lately."
I mean it's pretty clear you are just being asked to put down the Epstein scandal because you apparently believe he was innocent. Which is absolutely mind-boggling to me, considering the mountains of circumstantial evidence pointing to his guilt and special treatment by everyone in power, but how is that so unexpected? You are telling the story everyone in power wants you to tell, "We are all innocent, Epstein killed himself, nothing to see here."
What has been omitted from this article is Epstein plead guilty to soliciting sex with a child in Florida in 2008 and was given essentially a slap on the wrist for this crime, serving his sentence primarily at home. Was he setting his like-minded friends up with underage girls? I don’t know and I agree with you there has to be evidence to back that claim up. I understand how stories like these can take on a life of their own and become hysterical.
But what I don’t understand is why (to use an obvious example) a person with the power of Prince Andrew would have paid anyone a dime if these accusations were totally groundless. Why would he have associated with a man like Jeffery Epstein? Is he that hard up for friends? “To be done with this scandal” is lame if he and the royal family knew Andrew to be innocent. Perhaps many consider this valid but to many others it’s an admission of guilt and it laid the foundation for what followed.
Jeffery Epstein’s “punishment” - sitting in his mansion in Florida - and Prince Andrew’s hush money are, as usual, a nice reminder to the rest of us the rich and well connected never suffer the consequences (much less a jail sentence) of exploiting those who are not rich or well connected.
I never heard of Patel, Bondingo, or Bondi before they were appointed to their current positions. I have watched the interviews now currently on the internet of the AG stating the evidence was sitting on her desk and making statements indicating the physical evidence of video tapes and documents was extensive so I find it difficult to blame anyone or infer they are dumb for believing she was telling the truth.
The prosecutor who administered the slap on the wrist said he was told to go easy on Epstein because he was connected to "intelligence." It's enough to make one suspicious that he wasn't just diddling underage girls for fun.
I’m pretty broad minded but I would definitely not hang out with a convicted pedophile. I generally like to see them locked away for life or executed. Clinton, and others, seemed to flock to him. Why??
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Tracey's argument: "They talked to you about Epstein, and now they don't release anything, so that means there was nothing!"
Yes, that's exactly how it works, total honesty. Right?
He just happened to kill himself right when the cameras were turned off and the guards wouldn't go their round. In a prison run by a Black woman, the most loyal leftist group of people.
Oh yeah, and his phone calls from prison were all erased by the police and the FBI. Imagine that. "Nothing to see here!"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11759771/Mystery-Bill-Clinton-advisor-dead-gunshot-wound-no-gun.html
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https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/17/epstein-suicide-coverup/
Jeffrey Epstein did not show any suicidal tendencies. There is no real proof that he tried to commit suicide earlier. Guards were supposed to check on him every 15 minutes, but this was stopped, and his cellmate was removed.
Three cameras didn't work, and the guards falsified patrol records. They were charged for this serious offense, but the charges were dropped.
Immediately after his death Bureau of Prisons officials declared that it was a suicide.
But doctors who saw the autopsy and the records of broken bones in the neck say this pointed to murder, not suicide.
Suicide prevention coordinator Robert Nagle visited the prison, and reported that the FBI had removed a video of the incident. He was not allowed to conduct formal interviews with staff.
The NYT did not report that Epstein's lawyer paid money to his cellmate Efrain Reyes for unknown reasons. Reyes was moved to a minimum security prison for cooperative witnesses. He was released because of corona and died five months later, supposedly from corona.
Reyes' niece said he repeatedly doubted whether the six-foot tall Epstein could have hanged himself from the bunk frame. Federal prosecutors refused journalists' request about information and kept all records of Reyes' death sealed.
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Epstein was charged in California thanks to the work of ordinary police. Then the prosecutor did everything to sabotage the case, refusing to call the victims. Except for one case, a girl who had written only about getting money from the case. U.S. attorney Alex Acosta said that Epstein shouldn't be touched because "he is intelligence." Obviously not U.S. intelligence. But Israel's.
Epstein's lawyer, the Jewish Zionist Alan Dershowitz, has specialized in attacking the victims and attacking the police, trying to dig up dirt on them to use in court. He did that against the victims and police in this case. Alan Dershowitz is riding high in establishment circles, with ties to the Trump sphere.
Ann Coulter has recounted how Epstein was protected. The Jewish Democratic prosecutor Barry Krischer simply called the girls "prostitutes" and only charged Epstein with one count of soliciting prostitution, despite the mountain of evidence collected by the police. Ann Coulter has a long account of how the case was mishandled:
https://anncoulter.com/2019/03/06/media-magic-how-a-democrat-pedophile-became-a-trump-scandal/
Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter exploded in rage. (Meanwhile, Epstein claimed to be the victim of an anti-Semitic conspiracy on Palm Beach.) Chief Reiter wrote an open letter to Krischer asking the Democrat to remove himself from the case. Then he turned to the Bush administration to seek justice against a Democratic donor/accused child rapist.
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When Cassell and Edwards filed their case, they included the claims of various Epstein victims, who reported that the men at “Orgy Island,” where underage girls were being used as “sex slaves,” included Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz and Prince Andrew.
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This is how the modern American media work: I’ll tell the same story that we’ve been frantically suppressing for a decade, connect it to Trump — and win a Pulitzer Prize!
Here is MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell describing Epstein a few weeks ago in a single segment:
“… a friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein …
“… child sex trafficker and child rapist and friend of Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein …
“… a billionaire friend of Donald Trump’s …”
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Epstein got off with having to only spend nights at the prison while he got to spend the days at his office. Imagine that.
Epstein's handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of a banker who was Israel's top spy in Britain. When he was charged for fraud he "fell off his yacht" and drowned so he couldn't talk. He was flown to Israel, where his funeral was attended by six present and former heads of Israeli intelligence.
Epstein's buddy Ehud Barak, the Israeli prime minister, entered his mansion at the same time as young girls.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7250009/Netanyahu-challenger-Ehud-Barak-hides-face-enters-entering-Jeffrey-Epsteins-mansion.html
Married Israeli politician Ehud Barak is seen hiding his face entering Jeffrey Epstein's NYC townhouse as bevy of young beauties were also spotted going into mansion
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Epstein claimed to be an investor, but he only really invested for Lex Wesner, who was part of a group of wealthy Zionist investors with ties to Israel. Wesner gave Epstein the largest private home in New York:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/how-did-jeffrey-epstein-make-his-fortune.html
As Bloomberg states, “Today, so little is known about Epstein’s current business or clients that the only things that can be valued with any certainty are his properties.” According to a document submitted in advance of Epstein’s bail hearing, his Manhattan townhouse is estimated to be worth around $77 million. Then there are the properties in New Mexico, Paris, the U.S. Virgin Islands, his private jet, a fleet of 15 cars, and a Palm Beach compound estimated at $12 million.
But even the real-estate holdings have an air of mystery to them. Epstein purchased, or received, the Manhattan townhouse from Wexner around 1998. But there were no property records on the mansion’s transfer until 2011, when the company Wexner used to buy the place transferred it to an Epstein-owned company for $0. Epstein signed the document for both sides.
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Lex Wesner curiously got to buy Victoria's Secret for just one million dollars - a good way to get access to young women with little income in the modeling world.
He gave Epstein power of attorney over his finances, and Epstein lived with him for a while. He got to use Wesner's Victoria's Secret to claim to be an "agent" and then abused young models.
Wesner was one of the main donors to Jewish causes and rabbi schools.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/business/jeffrey-epstein-wexner-victorias-secret.html
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/no_author/former-spy-details-israels-main-motive-behind-epsteins-sexual-blackmail-operation/
MintPress speaks with Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli spy who worked closely with Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, as part of their work with Israeli military intelligence and had frequent encounters with Jeffrey Epstein.
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As detailed in a MintPress summary and commentary of that interview, Ben-Menashe claimed to have seen Jeffrey Epstein in the office of Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, several times in the 1980s.
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At the time, Ben-Menashe was in close contact with Robert Maxwell regarding their work mutual work with Israeli military intelligence. Maxwell, in addition to heading a media empire and being a one-time member of U.K. parliament, was a longtime operative for Israeli intelligence, so much so that his 1991 funeral was attended by no less than six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence as well as several high-ranking Israeli politicians and prime ministers.
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During the 1980s, as MintPress previously reported, Epstein claimed to have been an intelligence operative and so-called “bounty hunter” in the world of shadow finance. During this time, he was known to have developed close relationships with several British arms dealers, particularly Sir Douglas Leese. Thus, Epstein appeared to frequently be traveling between the Middle East and London, which is also supported by Epstein’s now-infamous Austrian passport which he was believed to have carried during this period of time.
Epstein and powerful politicians is that between Epstein and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Barak has claimed to have only met Epstein in 2002 and, from that point on, their relationship was very public, with Barak frequently visiting and even spending the night at residences owned by Epstein, including apartments where he housed the underage girls that he exploited.
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These Jews were Jewish supremacists, as recounted by Maria Farmer:
https://www.unz.com/article/guilt-by-accusation-alan-dershowitz-and-maria-farmer/
“So Jeffrey and Ghislaine they were at the estate, they came like three times to visit Wexner while I was there. And they would go meet with him and then they would come back.
And Ghislaine said they were working on all these Israeli charities for students and for, you know, Jewish people. And I remember thinking, oh that’s weird.
And she was like, “you don’t understand our loyalty to Israel, Maria. You don’t understand our loyalty.” She’s like, “unless you’re a dual citizen you just don’t get it”. She’s like, “your people could never understand.” She would say, “My people, your people, The Chosen Ones”, all that bullshit.
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/reports/alleged-salas-family-assailant-previously-worked-for-us-israeli-intelligence-linked-firm/
The alleged gunmen who killed the son of Esther Salas, the judge recently assigned to the Epstein-Deutsche Bank case, worked for a company of corporate spies and mercenaries with ties to intelligence and also to Deutsche Bank.
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Here is a list of all the famous people in photos with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine Maxwell went to Chelsea Clinton's wedding, for one thing. Now that establishment shills try to sweep Epstein under the rug, remember that he was right up there in the establishment.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-list-famous-friends-photos/
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Epstein’s private calendar included CIA Director William Burns, a Goldman Sachs’s Top Lawyer, Noam Chomsky, and more. Unfortunately the media link for this has been deleted, like so many other.
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After the conviction and the ridiculous "punishment" Epstein got, the Jews at National Review helped rehabilitate Epstein, who kept seeing top politicians.
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60519
After Jeffrey Epstein got out of the Palm Beach County jail in 2009, having served 13 months of an 18-month sentence resulting from a plea deal that has been widely criticized, he began a media campaign to remake his public image.
The effort led to the publication of articles describing him as a selfless and forward-thinking philanthropist with an interest in science on websites like Forbes, National Review and HuffPost.
The Forbes.com article, posted in 2013, praised him as "one of the largest backers of cutting-edge science around the world" while making no mention of his criminal past. The National Review piece, from the same year, called him "a smart businessman" with a "passion for cutting-edge science." The HuffPost article, from 2017, credited Mr. Epstein for "taking action to help a number of scientists thrive during the 'Trump Era'," a time of "anti-science policies and budget cuts."
All three articles have been removed from their sites in recent days, after inquiries from The New York Times.
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Never forget: the "principled conservatives" at NRO, including Rich Lowry, smeared the Covington Catholic kids before the facts were in but shilled for Jeffrey Epstein after he was convicted of soliciting sex from a minor.
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The Jewish billionaire Leon Black gave Epstein $158 billion for "tax advice" 2012-2017. He also brutally raped a girl at Epstein's mansion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Black
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Arkansas cops rule as "suicide" the 2022 death of Clinton aide Mark Middleton who signed Epstein into the White House several times. HE was found SHOT AND TIED TO A TREE with an electrical cord around his neck - despite no sign of a weapon. "Suicide" said the investigators in the state where Clinton used to be the governor. This is similar to all the other cases of men who could have testified against the Clintons, who committed "suicide" like being shot in the chest and head several times or died of "accidents" like hitting his head in the rack of dumbbells and dying from that, always without witnesses.
Epstein visited Bill Clinton in the White House 17 times.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11759771/Mystery-Bill-Clinton-advisor-dead-gunshot-wound-no-gun.html
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Kathryn Ruemmler, a White House counsel under President Barack Obama, had dozens of meetings with Epstein in the years after her White House service and before she became a top lawyer at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in 2020.
Epstein also planned for Ruemmler to join a 2015 trip to Paris and a 2017 visit to Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.
Leon Botstein, the Jewish president of Bard College, invited Epstein to to the campus. Epstein brought a group of young female guests.
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Ann Coulter recounts how the Jew Barry Krischer very obviously sabotaged the case against Epstein in California in 2005.
US Attorney Alex Acosta said: “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.”
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-great-epstein-cover-up-part-2/
Five underage girls had given police sworn statements that Epstein had sexually abused them, backed by 17 other witnesses, but when Krischer brought the case to the grand jury, weirdly, he allowed only one of the girls to testify — and then attacked her on the stand! (Epstein’s attorneys had helpfully provided Krischer’s office with the girl’s posts on MySpace, where she talked about boys and drinking, the little harlot.)
According to an extensive review by The Palm Beach Post, most of Krischer’s 2,800-page investigative file on the case consists of dirt against the teens — and against the police — given to him by Epstein’s lawyers.
The grand jurors, who’d been meticulously kept in the dark by Krischer, ended up voting only for a single charge of “solicitation of prostitution” against Epstein in 2006. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to five years’ probation. No jail time, no record as a sex offender — no criminal record whatsoever.
According to Nexis, only one newspaper, The Palm Beach Post, reported at the time — or ever — that Palm Beach prosecutor Krischer gave Epstein probation for his years of child abuse.
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U.S. attorney Alex Acosta proceeded to make a deal with Epstein — with Krischer essentially operating as Epstein’s defense counsel — resulting in a plea only slightly tougher than Krischer’s pat on the head.
According to journalist Vicky Ward, Acosta later defended this sweetheart deal to the Trump transition team, explaining: “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.”
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Also odd how Tracey and all the other shills don't mention a single time that the trio of Epstein, his financier Lex Wesner and his handler Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of Israel's top spy in Britain, were Jews who targeted White girls. Ghislaine Maxwell got a helicopter license so she could fly girls to Epstein's island from Florida without records. She targeted impoverished White girls from Florida's trailer parks, the people cast aside when the nation is flooded by cheap Latino labor. She wanted blond White girls. So that the few times when there were brunettes, Ghislaine Maxwell wrote "brunette" in her notes.
These were racial supremacists, as shown by their talk about "the Chosen people" and their donations to Jew-only causes and rabbi schools.
If Whites had targeted only Black girls, that would be the first sentence in every single article about them, for decades. But when it's Jews targeting Whites, Tracey and the rest say nothing.
But keep pretending you have integrity, Tracey.
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From Glenn Greenwald, who actually has a memory unlike certain other "independent journalists":
https://greenwald.locals.com/upost/7099788/trump-mocks-concerns-about-epstein-trump-continues-bidens-policy-of-arming-ukraine-trump-and-lula
We even showed you an interview that Alina Habba, the Trump attorney who is now the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, appointed by Donald Trump, did with Pierce Morgan while she was in the government, just in February, where she claimed they have a whole bunch of very incriminating lists with shocking names. She said there's video and there are all kinds of documents that are shocking, in her words, and she said they're going to be released over time because we've gone long enough where people who do these sorts of things, including are involved in the Epstein scandal, have no accountability.
Oh that's good news. I can put Epstein back onto my nice list now.
Yes, just a misunderstood Mossad asset with an overactive libido. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Not even. Just a rich philanthropist wanting to make the world a better place. His suicide was a loss to us all it seems. At least now Ghislaine can walk free. And all those silly people who wrote books about his Mossad connections and underaged girls etc. Idiots. That previous conviction for prostituting a minor 2008 was probably just a big misunderstanding.
It was all a stunt! There’s no list silly. Sure had me fooled.
Speaking of rich, I've never read anywhere where he got all that money. He seems to have conjured it out of thin air.
I have a lot of respect for Michael Tracey and often find myself agreeing with what he writes. But just one question: if there is really nothing really going on here, what was the purpose of all of the visits of people to his "island" on the "Epstein Express", or did this actually not take place?
You shall know them by their fruits.
Your piece is, yet again, a disservice to truth, justice, and even common sense. Millions don't get paid out by banks, royalty, and elite when there is no evidenced validity to a claim. Just leveraging the avoidsnce of public drama doesn't reap such benefit (unless the potential for shame and disruption is real). Sure, some in the play overplayed their hand (exploitation seems an all-too-common trait on every side). So what? We're waiting...
The idea that wealthy and powerful men, literal royalty, would pay settlements for something they're innocent of, is laughable.
I've almost never agreed with you on anything but I agree with you on this. And am similarly hated.
People probably hate you because if you are going to defend powerful people accused of rather monstrous crimes, you should be REALLY sure you know what you are talking about. And I feel like the only way to come to that conclusion is just to ignore certain facts about Epstein. But hey, I can't really blame you, confirmation bias is pretty much the default mode for the human brain.
What one-sided garbage picking on someone who is now dead and can't defend themselves. There is nothing about the initial conviction and plea deal of Epstein in Florida, or Epstein's intelligence connections admitted by Acosta, and his connections to Robert Maxwell, a triple spy working for Mossad, MI6, and the CIA. There is nothing about the fake billions and the connection to the Modelling agency in Paris, whose owner also committed suicide after being arrested with Wexner. There is nothing about the thousands of pictures of celebrities with underage teenagers or the thousands of hours of horrific tapes of child abuse and rape seized by the FBI.
MAGA like Tracey are all there to deceive and give false hope that Trump, an outsider, would fix a broken system, but the fact is, Trump is part of the swamp like Tracey.
Thank you, measured and grounded, as usual.
The testimonial evidence from the first case alone is clear that Epstein seduced - under the guise of paying $200 to 14 year olds for massages - many teen girls at least in Florida. And it is clear that Maxwell later helped 'traffic' victims for Epstein's insatiable sexual appetite for young teens. I think, given the degree to which such abuse can substantially affect a victim's psychological health for life, that it is only fair that they received payments from what you essentially frame as an opportunistic money pit.
The emphasis, which is personally what I find has really been lost in this matter, is on the clearly evidentially backed victims of Epstein. Just as you claim Giuffre is infallibly a fabricator due to that civil case with Dershowitz holding her to the standards of civil law, the same can be said in each case where there were payouts to victims. If a settlement payer decides not to go to trial, such as The Poor Prince, then they have decided to not hold themselves accountable and defendable under civil law - as Dershowitz DID.
Be that as it may, apart from your tendency to sully Epstein's victims as merely money hungry, I otherwise agree with you. Having read a great deal about this material, from court transcripts to Whitney Webb's quasi schizophrenic contagion by association books, there is no outward evidence from any of the victims apart from Giuffre regarding an intelligence honey-pot scheme (Mossad assumed). None of the girls in the Florida case claimed such third party trafficking.
You really should debate Whitney Webb about actual evidence rather than hearsay.
Thank you, Mr. Tracey, for talking truth to power.
I haven’t even read this yet but thank you for writing this. Now that I’ve read this, I see why you’ve had some controversy. Do you have any comments on the recent 10x victim inflation reported by Ken klipenstien?
Attorney Alan Dershowitz had quite a forceful statement to make today about the Epstein case. You should definitely check out his statement.