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Jemmaline's avatar

An astonishing, hilarious, and very very entertaining pice to read. Thank you. (Yes, I know the Epstein crazy also undermines civil rights rights and pollutes with brain dead conspiracism the political discussion we truly need to have about this matter, but for now, I’m happy to be gifted such a fun read).

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Michael Tracey's avatar

Sometimes, you just have to laugh!

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Gutterdandy's avatar

Big money for telling unchallenged "stories" about Epstein seems to be drawing some $MeToo scammers out of the woodwork, unsurprisingly. I remember Giuffre saying she'd been in a traffic accident in Australia and would 100% be dead very soon, then having the police deny that story, and finally Giuffre commiting "suicide" not too long after that. Very strange stuff, certainly worthy of some actual journalistic inquiry.

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Ivan Fyodorovich's avatar

She claimed to have been fatally injured in the car accident, which plainly wasn’t true, and honestly comes across as a sign of psychological duress.

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Fren's avatar

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Pathetic turd Michael Tracey has looked past the many minors to point at adults. Because anyone knows that once you’re 18, you couldn’t possibly be groomed into behavior that was against your will? Ok? How old was patty Hearst? Or the Manson bitches? Does that explain the plethora of other facts about Epstein that point toward covering up a gigantic crime ring? You and your fans are most likely pedophiles, trying to muddy the waters concerning pedophilia so you can get a restraining order lifted.

This isn’t about you perverts. STFU. You’re digging a hole for no reason

This is mostly about black mail, money laundering and which politicians were coerced into using their power on behalf of evil.

Was Virginia Giuffre mentally unstable? Perhaps it was because she was sexually abused in her youth and exploited in adulthood. Why is Michael Tracey and his trash followers so mentally unstable?

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Val Crosby's avatar

The only "pedophile crime ring" is in your head and you're projecting your fantasies onto cases having nothing to do with that.

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Bryan Steele's avatar

What are you talking about? Epstein was convicted and went to jail. Maxwell is currently in prison for all this nonsense.

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Val Crosby's avatar

Keep in mind what the claim is "pedophile crime ring" and on what basis Maxwell was actually convicted. This case has so much media manipulation skewing it. There is no ring or network of people buying sex with children. Brad Edwards himself says this isn't true. Interestingly his clients and politicians publicly make these claims with zero pushback.

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Douglas Levene's avatar

Was Epstein convicted of having sex with or trafficking children? No? Then what are you talking about?

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Actually, yes. You fuckin retard. He actually plead guilty to avoid trial. With rockstar attorneys. Let Micheal Tracey do your thinkin for you. You’re ill equipped.

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Val Crosby's avatar

"Trafficking" in the legal sense means something that colloquially is understood quite differently. People automatically think pimp and client. But it's become so broad and when minors are involved can be simple as getting her from some arbitrary point A to B. Not to mention conflating minor with child which is quite different level of seriousness legall

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Said the predator

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Douglas Levene's avatar

Trafficking children or transporting adult women across state lines for immoral purposes? Which was it?

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Four Quartets's avatar

Nice language. Kind of 5th-grade-insecure-boy-trying-to-sound-tough. Better to have spent 5th grade in English class; then you would know that "plead" is not past tense, ill-equipped is hyphenated, the vowel in Michael is spelled "ae," not "ea," and "thinkin" has a "g" at the end. So: both crude and ignorant; I bet you're a big hit with the girls.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Ad hominem. Thanks for bringing nothin to the discussion.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Who are you quoting moron? You’re outing yourself. You disgusting piece of garbage.

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Pete McCutchen's avatar

Patty Hearst was actually kidnapped and held by her kidnappers.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

And she robbed a bank. You fuckin dork

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Pete McCutchen's avatar

She did indeed assist in robbing a bank. Her very famous very expensive defense attorney was drunk during most of the trial and bungled her defense.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Do you get the point? Or are you really that stupid. Being coerced when vulnerable doesn’t really have a cut off age. Also, if they’re so scandalous how did they walk away with so much money in damages? Rich people don’t give their money away unless they believe not paying would mean way more money or jail time. Real jail.

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Pete McCutchen's avatar

I don’t question that Epstein had some number of real victims — teenage girls from bad circumstances whom he manipulated into providing sexual services of various types. He was a sleazy guy and he did sleazy things, many with girls who were under the legal age of consent. I’m all for those girls getting compensation and settlements.

However, I am skeptical of the current crop of youthful but still adult women who claim to have been “groomed” when they were in their 20s. If he engaged in actual physical force, then of course he should have been charged, and he or, now, his estate, should pay damages. But when someone talks about being “groomed” at 23, it’s a bit much. Most of these adult “victims” seem to have been participants in the “hot girl” economy. They didn’t have the ability to earn the money to live the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous life, so they used their hotness to insinuate themselves into the circle of rich men who could let them drive a boat. Sometimes there was an implicit quid pro quo that involved sex. He was using them for sex and they were using him for money. It’s all very sleazy, on both sides, but it doesn’t make them victims.

As for the settlements, there was one reached with his estate. His heirs probably figured they’d be in litigation forever, and their chances of getting anything was pretty low. Because there were legitimate victims, and also because he’s widely believed to be a sleazy guy, and that would have resulted in very little payoff. Then you have Deutsche Bank and JP Morgan Chase, which faced class action lawsuits. Maybe bogus, but these are multi-billion dollar companies, and a few hundred million to get out of the headlines might see like it’s worth it. Finally, Leon Black, net worth of $13.7 billion, paid the Attorney General of the US Virgin Islands something like $75 million to go away. That’s like me paying a couple hundred bucks to settle a claim. And in his case, Epstein did some financial work for him that probably skated close to the legal line. He got released from possible criminal prosecution for the financial stuff, which means it was probably worth it.

In other words, I don’t think the settlements prove much. Especially since they were set up to be nonadversarial, which means the claims weren’t really vetted.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

It’s people like you and MT that vilify victims that enable Epstein and company to keep being the blackmail money laundering pedo peddlers. If the US marines train people to murder innocents in exotic lands, that’s grooming. And if those marines come home and blow their brains out because they’re ashamed, are you blaming the military industrial complex or the 18-25 year old who didn’t know Uncle Sam was murderous cunt? Should we find out more about Epstein and his associates or would like to punish the “hotchicks” first.

None of these fucks got “out of the headlines “. They’ve been in the headlines for 10 years now? But jealous bitch scum bags like you and Micheal Tracey would put the victims on trial. Which is why the actual perpetrators thought they would get away with this in the first place. Dumb jealous losers like you and fat boy.

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LadyM's avatar

Actually, the rich take a commercial stance to money / payoffs. Often due to legal advice. If they were to defend themselves, the costs of their time, legal fees etc.etc. would far outweigh the payout. Just sayin 😂

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David Cashion's avatar

Accuse others of which one does.

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JayBee's avatar

Outstanding journalism here, MT. Appreciate your diligence in highlighting this epic scam. Many thanks!

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Jordana Stoddart's avatar

22 year old massage survivor Teresa Helm told the far-right Epoch Times that hospitality is actually "grooming" when you really, really think about it:

"The driver takes me to the apartment where I'm staying. It's clean, it's comfortable, it's safe. There's food there in case I'm hungry. That's another part of the grooming process because, yet again, it solidifies and sends the message to me that they genuinely care."

Or maybe the apartment had accommodations?

When my hotel puts candy on my pillow, are they trying to groom me, baiting me with candy much in the same way that predators of yore lured children into a pedo van with candy? Hard to say, but the next time I check into a hotel, I'll be wearing a chastity belt.

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Cla Parker's avatar

Pimps and hoes. No biggie. Your mother wasn't coerced either.

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Maggie jervis's avatar

It's a good thing your birthdate was not 6/6/66 otherwise you might have ended up depicted on one of Maria Farmer's 'satanic' tableaus or with Juliet Bryant sticking pins in you as a voodoo doll. The 'stories' of these 'well-groomed' adult 'survivors' and their entourage are truly revealing. I understand there was at least one of the victims on the 2019 Epstein indictment at the Bradley and the Women presentation - she was minor victim 1 on the indictment later named as Marina Lacerda. I noted that the 2019 indictment which appears to cover the same period as the Florida one but in NYC seems to suggest the same type of masseuse related offences as were already publicised re the Florida ones. Have their statements been disclosed? They seem to be completely unrelated to Ghislaine Maxwell who was living in Florida with Ted Waitt at the time though of course she may have visited the NY house. Of the same time frame and space was Jennifer Araoz who Vicky Ward - whose socialite 'dot-joining' dates back to her Vanity Fair phantasmagoria kick-off article in 2002 involving the Farmer sisters - publicised. She was not on Epstein indictment though her alleged experiences as a high school 'masseuse' appear to mirror theirs and the Florida ones. Her story seemed unlikely to me, but who I am to judge. It's not known if she was part of the DC gaggle. Presumably not as she had publicized her claims through Ward and co previously and would have stood out. Ward was of course 'a friend' or acquaintance of Maxwell's at the time of the first VF article and Maxwell complained to her about it - on tape but unfortunately only a transcript made by Ward survives. Think Ward could jot down her own 'list' based on her society contacts or maybe share it with the 'survivors'?

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Pete McCutchen's avatar

You know, legitimate massage therapists who provide useful and non-sexual services must be really annoyed the way “massage therapists” get lumped in with them.

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Fren's avatar

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Theresa Thompson's avatar

Everyone involved in this circus has a motive, and it's not "healing trauma" or exposing child sex trafficking. I personally think Massie and MTG shouldn't have touched this. We'll see how this rolls out. Keep it up Michael.

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Val Crosby's avatar

Americans infantalize women so hard when it comes to this stuff. I don't know whether it's because of a new feminism, religious influences, perhaps an overcorrective safeguarding from men too. In any case it's still pretty serious I don't see the need to convince the public this has anything to do with "pedophiles" to get sympathy, if the trauma is real.

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Sri's avatar

The narcissistic ones are infantilized, because they play along with their like-minded powerful friends. The others still suffer.

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MICHELLE RODENBORN's avatar

Keep holding feet to the fire. We need to know the truth, all of it.

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G.W. Borg (Shadow Democracy)'s avatar

OK, so I'm glancingly following the Epstein story and ideologically inclined to believe the very worst about Epstein. But even I kept noticing that the ages of at least some of the "survivors" were suspiciously adult. That paired with my previous experience in legacy media during which it dawned on me that there was a misleading tendency to paint everything in deepest black and brightest white (the Kosovo war was an example) began to tickle my skepticism bone.

Michael Tracey is performing a valuable -- actually indispensable -- service here. And if enough people begin to pay attention, we'll learn something quite enlightening about our ever-expanding media environment. And perhaps about ourselves.

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Cla Parker's avatar

Hilarious. I know a lot about you already.

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DFG's avatar

Amazing. This is clearly one of those times when two things can be true at once. Jeffery Epstein apparently molested young girls and a huge cottage industry had been constructed around that to make money and build fame for people who weren’t molested. And god help anyone who challenges the narrative. Good luck Michael.

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DFG's avatar

Yeah, I read the article which described the ones who were adults at the time they were supposedly victimized. There were others not mentioned who were underage, otherwise Epstein and Maxwell wouldn’t have gotten in trouble. The adults have turned this into a victim grift, like the people who jump on buses after an accident so they can pretend to be injured. Good on Michael Tracey for being an actual reporter instead of a stenographer like most who attended that press conference.

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John Q Public's avatar

Name one person who accused Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, George Mitchell, Prince Andrew, etc. of molesting her when she was underage. Just one name…

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DFG's avatar

So what are you saying? Were none of the girls involved underage? Then how did Epstein get convicted and why would he kill himself if child molestation wasn’t involved? And why is Maxwell doing 20 years?

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John Q Public's avatar

If you read this article, you would already know that every single victim described was an adult at the time. It is true that a handful, like Virginia Giuffre, were 16 when they met Epstein. So what we’re talking about here is statutory rape, not a pedophile child abuse and rape ring like the one just busted in Nebraska. Giuffre went to see Epstein because she wanted money, like all the other “girls” described in this article. The difference is the law in Florida said she was too young to consent. Other jurisdictions have lower ages of consent. This is not because anyone thinks young women should be acting like prostitutes. It’s because the law shouldn’t be in the business of putting men in prison for having relations with sexually mature females.

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John Q Public's avatar

Giuffre’s claims that she was trafficked to third parties such as Alan Dershowitz have never been substantiated. Indeed, she was forced to make a retraction of our allegations against Dershowitz. So again, please provide me the name of somebody that has accused a third party, even less somebody who was under age at the time…

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Douglas Levene's avatar

Thank you, again, Michael, for speaking truth to power. It’s crazy that this grift is still going on and that so many people have been taken in by it. I would wager that over 90% of the people who are mad about The Epstein Files believe that they conceal evidence of a child sex ring. You know, sex with children, not adults. Despite zero evidence that such a thing happened. It’s just like Pizzagate, only the madness has spread wider into the population.

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Cla Parker's avatar

There's plenty of evidence, weirdo. And convictions.

Now tell me how viruses aren't real.

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Douglas Levene's avatar

What evidence? Who was convicted for statutory rape or for trafficking minors? You’re just another Pizzagate fanatic.

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Antipopulist's avatar

Keep fighting the good fight! This Epstein nonsense is a never-ending treasure trove of hilarity.

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