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It's worth noting that this mania concerning Epstein's "pedophilia" comes on top of the widespread fixation in some conspiracy-minded right-wing circles with lurid stories of pedophilia and sexual victimization of children. The "Pizzagate" episode of a few years ago is perhaps the best known pre-Epstein example, but such stories have been a staple of Q-Anon subculture for years.

Michael Tracey's avatar

The mania has cross-ideological components, which is what makes it so uniquely potent and enduring. You're right about the right-wing component you identify, but it's crucially coupled with a distinct left-wing variation: fixation with allegedly predatory "power dynamics," uncritically "believing" women, massively expanding the definition of what constitutes a sexual abuse "victim," and so on. Recall: in 2018, the Epstein story was resurfaced and re-invigorated in the public mind, by Julie K. Brown of the Miami Herald, as an expressly "MeToo" story -- as well as an "anti-Trump" story, given the connection Brown made sure to foreground with Trump's first term Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta. Julie Brown herself credited "MeToo" for fueling public interest in the matter. Numerous "victims" themselves also credited "MeToo," including at the unprecedented August 27, 2019 hearing held by Judge Richard M. Berman, in which random self-described victims were invited to make random unvetted accusations, with the imprimatur of the federal court.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

God bless you Michael, we don’t have to agree on everything, but I consider you a truth bearer in a time where truth is scarce.

Karen's avatar

It is the least surprising thing ever that you think the rich men have no power over the young women they rape and destroy.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

True but it's left-wing pundits as well. Even Cuomo is tapping into the 'CHILDREN were victimized" although I think he's smart enough to see through it, especially after his brother was falsely accused of sexual harassment by 12 attention whores

J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

This aged well. Like milk on a sunbed.

It didn’t even reach the 7 day mark. I can’t wait to see the next Racket News -Micheal & Matt Tiabbi “debunking” on behalf of the Epstein class pdf files. 😏

Nobody can take these two seriously again.

Mike Dombroski's avatar

The author's not saying Epstein never committed any further crimes. He provided an account of Epstein's actual conviction based on court records of the case, which included a link. I'm quite surprised by the details. I wonder if Ann Coulter has read this and has anything to say.

J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

Everybody knows that the actual conviction on record means very little. In the ‘plea bargain’ deal most of the grand jury indictments were dropped - including 8 more victims - in return for a guilty plea on a much lesser charge. The Detective who investigated is on record as being angry and frustrated with the DA’s office for not proceeding with the more serious charges. There were over twenty victims but eight were deemed good enough, with enough evidence for the Grand Jury. Micheal is being utterly disingenuous about saying the “conviction is what counts”. Also ‘Soliciting a MINOR for sex” is pretty pedophilic behaviour to anyone not splitting hairs. And why would anyone split hairs over this dead creep’s reputation?

Adi Had's avatar

No, its not pedophilic behavior to solicit sex from a 16 or 17 year old. Thats not what pedophilia means

J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

You do know who and what you’re defending here, right?

Adi Had's avatar

I am not defending Jeffrey Epstein. He probably committed lots of crimes. Some are "crimes" I do not believe should be crimes (like the one he was convicted of with that 17 year old woman he had consensual sex with). Some are crimes I do believe should be crimes like some of the allegations that were never proven in court.

However, this is not what we are talking about. There are a lot of criminals in this country. I mean Martha Steward is a criminal. Even when it comes to sex crimes, there are a lot of criminals, some worse than others. Like for example Ted Bundy was a worse criminal compared to Epstein.

Here we are talking about the term pedophilia, which is a mental disorder that affects a very small percentage of the population. This is why its called a mental disorder. Pedophilia as a mental disorder, is attraction to pre-pubescent children. So if someone is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, he is a pedophile. Being attracted to 14-17 year old women is not pedophilia. We already have a word in the english language for a man who is attracted to women between the ages of 14-17. Its called being straight, or being heterosexual.

So a man who is attracted to a 15 year old woman is a straight heterosexual man. And this is normal and natural since a 15 year old woman is fertile and can easily get pregnant. And men are naturally programmed to be attracted to young fertile women so we can reproduce as a species.

So Epstein, despite being a criminal, was not a pedophile. He was a straight heterosexual man, who suffered from sex addiction and was what we would call today, a "pervert". He was attracted to both 16 year old women and 21 or 25 year old women. He was NOT a pedophile.

I hope this explains it to you and clarifies what you seem to be ignorant about.

Crucesignati's avatar

This has to be a distraction for something else because they want us to obsess over it. In other words, never watch the hand the magician wants you to watch.

Michael Tracey's avatar

I'd caution against the impulse to reflexively assume everything must always be some kind of coordinated "distraction," designed to "distract" from other (unidentified) stuff. It ascribes too much top-down cohesion and organization to these fundamentally random confluences of large, multi-variable events.

Crucesignati's avatar

Fair enough. But you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to realize that intelligence services have had over 10 years to redact and manipulate whatever evidence may have been there originally. Why would anyone think there would be anything scandalous to uncover now?

J-Pat : Jason Patrick Quinn's avatar

The real story is his extensive links to weapons dealers - illegal - with links to the Iran-Contra scandal, which Wexner is also tied to, and intelligence agencies across the world. His fake Austrian passport from when he was younger is a huge red flag, with it being a hub of intelligence activity during the Cold War, ‘Vienna - the home of spies’. Follow the money. Drop Site News are doing great work on this, going through documents that the establishment ‘mainstream media’ are, curiously (not), ignoring.

Dustin's avatar

Clearly the DOJ is covering up as much of the Epstein case as possible. This effort extends beyond this administration, there has definitely been an organized cohesion to keep this case opaque and hidden from the public.

Epic Lamp's avatar

I think it all being a "distraction" of sorts is giving these people to much credit. The "victims" lawyers don't want information released that might damage their cases from cross examination. They want this because they get a boat load of money from swindling banks, estates, and whoever has a lot of money and any connection to Epstein.

From the more politics perspective it's all just a stupid partisan game. It's really all just about implicating the other side through deliberate omissions. Nobody actually knows anything or cares about it, they know nothing more about the case than the general public. Said public believes that a cabal of the rich and famous secretly ran a massive child trafficking ring that is already "proven" to exist and it only needs "exposing". If these politicians actually knew anything they wouldn't get the most basic facts wrong time and

time again.

I doubt their's any real conspiracy to keep the status quo. It just so happens that everyones political wants/needs just so happens affirms it. Whether it's out of incompetence, misunderstandings, or just fear of being exposed is up for debate. The last thing anyone wants is to be labeled a bad person because they dared look at the facts to a conspiracy riddled public.

BookWench's avatar

True, there is a surprising amount of money in "settlement" funds swirling around this case. As Michael Tracey reported a few weeks ago, some of the alleged victims were in their 20's when they met Epstein. I'm not sure how they were victimized, and we may never find out, because their attorneys keep them away from reporters.

WilliamMcG's avatar

probably because of pedophile defenders like you.

BookWench's avatar

Women in their 20's when they met Epstein were somehow "victimized" by "pedophiles"?

Karen's avatar

Yes. Epstein preyed on the poor and troubled like every other rapist in all of human history. He ruined the lives of hundreds of women while rich men like Trump and Clinton helped him. Every singe male who palled around with Epstein needs to have his life utterly destroyed because each one of those men ruined the life of a young woman.

BookWench's avatar

How did Epstein ruin the lives of the women who were in their 20's when they met him, when he made business contacts for them?

Please be specific.

WilliamMcG's avatar

you should kill yourself you pedophile loving cunt.

BookWench's avatar

And a Merry Christmas to you, sir!

Val Crosby's avatar

Yeah, scummy lawyers and their false accuser clients.

Val Crosby's avatar

🤣 oh yeah slam dunk reasoning there

Mark A Kruger's avatar

It’s salacious and dirty and horrifying. It’s sex and it’s money. ANY angle to keep revisiting the story again annd angain and keep it alive means more eyes, more debate, more speculation, more attention. attention= money.

A Andersen's avatar

Great article. Looking forward to more. So you've definitively established that Epstein was not a convicted pedophile, but there's another important aspect, which is what exactly IS a pedophile and is there evidence Epstein was an unconvicted pedophile? From my research, mainly Grok, pedophilia is limited to prepubescent attraction and involvement, most often meaning the victim must be under age 12, or at most, under age 14. Yet I have not been able to find a single allegation of contact with anyone under age 14. Wasn't there one allegation involving a non-intercourse massage by a 14-year old? Disgusting? Yes. Pedophilia? No. But maybe pedophilia is being slowly redefined in common discourse as any sexual involvement under the legal age of consent. I won't quibble with people who want to call that pedophilia, but I do like precision in the use of words. Maybe it's because we don't have a word for sex with someone aged 14-17, other than underage sex. And aside from all this, I'll be interested in learning exactly why sex with adults age 18+ has anything to do with anything & why these adults are in survivor mode these days.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

No, we need to have the nuance. It is important to not let menopausal w0e-MEN'S narratives overtake the legal system. You are right that any underage sex is called pedophilia, but I would warn against misusing words which results in branding people unjustly and even influencing the vultures in the legal system to invent new ways of framing MEN for things that they didn't actually do. For example, in Texas and Ireland a comic book nerd can be charged with child pornography just for having an Amine comic book! I kid you not. If someone decides a comic book cartoon character is underage that guy can be charged with child pornography. I would urge you to go with your original observations and not cave in to eliminating nuance

A Andersen's avatar

You are right. I think was was trying to be conciliatory, like not fighting this wave of people who are going to call almost any age-difference sex pedophilia. Like let them call it what they want, but still insist on clarification of what exactly is the offense. But your examples are telling. If we don't insist on defining words correctly, we will be left with these cases. I henceforth go back to my original observations. Epstein did not come even close to pedophilia.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

There have been 'Hollywood Madam's' who ran prostitution rings, and they were never portrayed as monsters nor were their cases made political. Thanks for your objectivity.

Karen's avatar

Has anyone looked into the crawl spaces in your house? Does law enforcement know what’s on your computer? Because I think they should audit the computer of any man who wrote what you did here.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

I wonder what's on >YOUR computer 'Karen'? FALSE accusers are usually fetishizing about the things they LIE about. Just like Epstein's WHORES. NONE of these 'prostitutes' were children. They were mostly of college age, and they ARE LYING about being victims of their own harlotry. ALL of Epstein's hoes are LYING. There is ZERO evidence that Epstein did anything but run a prostitution ring with mostly college age whores. They are now menopausal hit the wall whores like you, and LYING about rape is the last card you have to play. Fuck off.,

Karen's avatar

You call victims of trafficking ‘whores.’ That’s all anyone needs to know about you.

Val Crosby's avatar

I do quibble with such people, and they're usually brainwashed Americans or in Anglophone countries. Coincidence? I don't think so. In the past several decades social movements have done a lot of damage in this area, reframing situations that have nothing to do with "pedophilia". It's as insane as anything I've heard from MAGA, really.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

Menopause plays a role! I kid you not. It is par for the course for hit the wall over the hill vindictive w0e-MEN to call any MAN they don't like 'Pedo' Even more worrisome is the fact that w0e-MEN are a marketing tool and their hatred of MEN is being infused into the law! We need to quibble! Nuance matters!

Karen's avatar

We have a word for sex with a 14 - 17 year old: RAPE. Use that one.

xkry's avatar

What if you live in the 75% of the United States where the age of consent is 16 or 17? Is that still rape? Weird. And what about when you DON'T have "sex" with someone 14-15? Is it still rape?

Karen's avatar

Yes, and why are you defending rapists?

xkry's avatar

You defined rape as something it isn't, because of age of consent laws. So you sound brain-damaged.

Karen's avatar

The age of consent for sex AND marriage should be 21. The fact that it isn’t is because of disgusting abusers like you. Has anyone checked your crawl spaces and back yard recently?

xkry's avatar

WTF?! Damn I guess I got raped by my wife because I got married too young according to your standards. Whoops.

Andrew J.'s avatar

What a ridiculous analysis. Police knew of dozens or even hundreds of underage girls visiting Epstein in Balm Peach, many younger than 17, but Epstein's attorneys made sure they wouldn't testify against him. Tracey probably knows this but chose not to mention it. What a fool.

Mary Makary's avatar

Tracey's just a lazy, provocative - an anemic outrage whore.

Andrew J.'s avatar

He even defended that Israeli pedo who was caught in Vegas but then fled the country. I mean it's great to have some contrarian perspective but if it turns dishonest you really have to wonder what is going on.

In this case he added a sly straw man by adding "convicted" pedophile, when Epstein was convicted for underage prostitution. But if he studied the case he knows perfectly well that there were many more girls and that many were younger than 17.

The real scandal is how these girls were intimidated by Dersh to not testify.

kapock's avatar

Epstein is also regularly referred to as a “convicted sex trafficker.” That doesn’t seem to be supported either

Quint's avatar

Great reporting, Michael. I always thought of the Epstein saga as a moral panic and/or political opportunism. Clarifying who the lone underage girl was, and that she wasn't prepubescent, but in fact, one day shy of her 18th birthday, changes the moral landscape. The 'pedophile ring' doctrine turns out to be another Candace Owen's level fake out. People need to read this article. Someone cc this to Thomas Massie and MTG.

Sam McGowan's avatar

Michael, you and now Matt Tabbi are the only ones who actually report the facts. I did not know Ashley Davis name but I have read her police interview and grand jury testimony. The irony of this whole thing is that the real victims just want to be left alone. It's the money grubbers like Annie Farmer who have become professional victims when they were not victims at all

MakerOfNoise's avatar

MT - Thanks for trying to keep reporting focused on the probable facts. Yes, it would be a big deal if Epstein had 13 yo girls chained to the radiator in the basement, but there is no credible evidence for that. Maybe he was doing that? Show us the proof. This "pedophile ring" narrative is not being advanced for the benefit of justice for the children, it is being used for political and financial gain.

Marco's avatar

An excellent article, sticking to the facts. Sensible articles like this one are scarce these days.

Ohio Barbarian's avatar

The only jaw-dropping thing about this article is to witness two once respected journalists join together to utterly destroy their credibility by defending Jeffrey Epstein, our corrupt political elites, and the genocidal apartheid State of Israel by proxy.

What do the Zionists have on you two, anyway? They've certainly got something.

Johan Snow's avatar

Excellent work! Thanks Michael!

ken Leary's avatar

I've not paid much attention to the pedophilia story. It is interesting to read this reality check. What I want to know is what happened to all the money Jamie Dimon passed Epstein's way. Why did some people want him dead? Who is able to arrange his suicide and then sell that story? What is his connection to, and what purpose did he serve, for the people who made him very wealthy? Maxwell and Wexner fit in this story somewhere? The women were probably just a tool just as taxes were a way to get Capone.

Chet S's avatar

Nobody “arranged his suicide”, though

ken Leary's avatar

So you buy that he killed himself. Just happened that there was no camera, guard, or supervision on an extremely controversial person?

Magic Girl's avatar

And there was no way he could have hung himself from the low profile bed in his cell. They finally did release the photos and the room looked staged, bunch of sheets lying around. All kinds of inconsistencies with the suicide narrative. His own brother believes he was murdered in that cell.

WilliamMcG's avatar

lmao well we already knew matt taibbi liked raping minors, now michael tracey's admitting the same thing.

Duane McPherson's avatar

How many young women in Florida wait until their 18th birthday before engaging in sexual intercourse? For some reason my intuition is telling me, not very many

Michael Peck's avatar

The Epstein saga reminds me of the 2000 News of the World's "name and shame" campaign which caused en eruption of moral panic and violence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/865289.stm

And a little further back, the 1980's Satanic Ritual Abuse panic saw the Anglo-sphere (I don't recall it being reported in non-Western countries) erupt in a moral panic and media storm around prosecutions in which utterly unbelievable "evidence" was treated as credible, and many innocent people had their lives ruined as a result:

http://archive.today/2025.06.18-211730/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/us/satanic-panic.html

Any rational examination or discussion of the issues and events seems impossible. I very much doubt if this piece in The Guardian from 2013 would even be published today:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light