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Gene Schwartz's avatar

just like freedom of speech is freedom to express views that you abhor, good journalism means finding the truth even if it contradicts the current story accepted by ones ideological group - whether political party, or left/right in general, etc. I don't always agree with Michael, but my initial annoyance (admittedly) at him has smoothed into glowing respect at the way that he persists despite the outrageous accusations from people who don't understand his commitment to good journalism.

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Kathy's avatar
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This podcast was painful. I would rather have eaten glass than to listen to Tracey’s persistent need to be validated by Russell. Russell said what Tracey wanted, he just apparently did not use the Tracey-approved inflammatory language. Tracey needs someone “on his side” asserting that Cooper is a fraud. Period. Of course, he fails to appreciate that his doing so would be essentially the same behavior for which he’s criticizing Cooper. Until Cooper responds Tracey does not have all the facts. The lack of response however, has become the “fact” proving Cooper’s fraud, in Tracey’s mind-not whether or not Cooper said what Tracey alleges, whether or not he validated the allegations and whether or not he can demonstrate support for those allegations. This podcast with the doomed Thad Russell was almost as cringey as Mikey’s answering machine scene in the 1996 film Swingers. IYKYK

Ugh. Dreadful. Mikey, hang up the phone!!!

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Michael Beech's avatar

47 minutes in and you're still quibbling about this:

From the Palm Beach Post.

March 14 - Molestation of 14-year-old reported to police

The stepmother of a 14-year-old girl who attends Royal Palm Beach High School reports to police on the island of Palm Beach that her stepdaughter has been molested by a wealthy man. The stepmother tells a detective that "supposedly the man has a lot of money and often has young girls come to his house." The girl, in tears, tells the detective that she was taken upstairs to give Epstein a massage. When Epstein came into the room wearing only a towel, he sternly told the girl to take her clothes off. She stripped down to her bra and a thong. As she massaged him, he masturbated. Afterward, he paid her $300. The next day she got into a fight at school after another girl called her a prostitute. She never went back to Epstein's mansion.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2025/07/08/jeffrey-epstein-timeline-florida-case-led-to-15-years-of-sex-abuse/84510353007/

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Sam Wechsler's avatar

The Germans literally had a plan called the hunger plan before invading the USSR. He’s ignoring the clear genocidal intent of the Nazis towards both the Slavs and the Jews and their clear orders to shoot any political officers.

For some reason no media figure has mentioned this yet. Everyone gets caught up with the Churchill quote.

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Roger Boyd's avatar

Cooper takes some basic truths, e.g. the issues with the Versailles settlement and mistreatment of Germany after WW1, and then turns it into utter Nazi-apologia. An utterly disingenuous and manipulative misrepresentation of the reality of Hitler and the Nazi regime.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

The idea that Cooper, Webb, Dave Smith, or anyone else needs to debate your stupidity is laughable. Maybe your stunning beheaded babies journalism creates the impression that your views and fans are Israeli propaganda. I’m shocked that anyone listening to this podcast finds your opinion on this compelling. This whole line of bullshit sounds like Zionist obfuscation.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Micheal Tracey is a garbage human being. No one needs to debate him about anything, but if they did, Tracey would interrupt them endlessly with his garbage about the age of the victims, serial fabulist, blah blah blah. This is about black mail and 20 years of coverup. Drilling down on Giuffre for weeks kinda shows that tracey is doing his best defense attorney impression. On behalf of the same people that lied about beheaded babies. Gods chosen serial fabulists.

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A Andersen's avatar

I’m completely on MT’s side on this one. All he’s done is ask the same reasonable questions re Epstein & Maxwell that I’ve always had. In the process, he’s discovered some hyperbole in Cooper’s statements. I don’t think he ever called it fraud. There’s a large area between truth and fraud. Cooper probably got caught up in the Pedo/Trafficking hysteria sweeping the Nation and made some statements he’s heard but hadn’t checked. I subscribe to both MT & Cooper & will

continue.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Did you actually listen to this podcast?

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.mas's avatar

I have just popped a large tub of popcorn to eat for watching a Miyazaki movie with my daughter. There will hopefully be enough left over for this lovely exchange too (although 3+ hours?).

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Gene Schwartz's avatar

just like burning a flag is NOT 'anti-american', and in fact IS precisely patriotic to criticize how your country works, criticizing your debate methodology is NOT disrespectful of you. I just think that you tend to personalize the debate when it comes down to how to react to how some of these people are journalizing. I'd love to see more debates between you and cooper, webb, etc - but they are probably scared to death of getting into these personal battles. I think that if you were a bit more adaptable to the form of the discussions, people wouldn't be so reticent to reply to you. I say this because my reaction at this point in this discussion (as i listen to Thad trying to just calm you down) is 'Michael - just stfu and listen to the person's concern'. Is it insecurity on your part? i think you'd get further if you listened more deeply. (i say this as a person who repeatedly gets in trouble for these things in my own life).

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Sam Wechsler's avatar

MT - spend one day looking into the historical claims that DC made on Tucker. Totally insane.

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Sam Wechsler's avatar

“Germany, look, they put themselves into a position, and Adolf Hitler is chiefly responsible for this, but his whole regime is responsible for it, that when they went into the east in 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners and so forth that they were going to have to handle. They went in with no plan for that, and they just threw these people into camps, and millions of people ended up dead.”

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Sam Wechsler's avatar

MT -

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