It's actually great that this happened. EU needs to be absolutely smacked the hell down to wake up and start remilitarizing. US should NOT be respected whatsoever, it was always an imperial bully, just like Russia.
Z did what he had to do. His country goes FIRST for him, as US goes first for Amerimutts.
You see, sometimes you just gotta go 12 on these fat fucks' asses cause they deserve it.
You will forgive me for having below 0 respect for Donald and his team. But wait. Not that I care too much about other politicians. In fact, let's call them all butt buddies cause they deserve it.
Complete kayfabe. zelensky is a professionally trained entertainer and President trump fashions himself the same. There's no doubt zelensky and president Trump agreed to the parameters of their false debate in advance. Vice president Vance is new to the game and overacted his role. the heatedness of their mutual disagreement pushed the limits of Zelensky's ESL comprehension compared to the native language preparedness of his improv partners.
The lesson for anyone watching this is as follows: In any negotiation, if you are not certain how your remarks will be taken, SHUT YOUR MOUTH. Trump has, before the Vance interjection, already committed to continuing sending military aid to Ukraine. This situation is very similar to a sales situation. Once the customer has said, "Yes, I am giving you the contract (business, order, etc.) you have one, and only one move. Shut your mouth, look at your watch, and say, "Thank you very much. I enjoyed our meeting. Now, we have a plane to catch and though we hate to rush off, we appreciate your awarding us the business." Stand up, shake their hand and leave before they can change their mind. Not complicated.
Seeing the whole press event I got the impression that some journalist and Zelensky had the instruction to press the security agreement agenda. Trump answered the same questions many times- he would first secure a ceasefire, then there could be talks of security agreements. Zelensky then tried to push a lot of his propaganda in front of the media in order to try to exact some concessions from Trump, he mentioned many times that Putin could not be trusted- as he had not been trustworthy in all the other talks, showing pictures of ill treated Ukrainian soldiers and so on. Some members of the press (those who did not come there to tongue bathe the president) also pushed for Trump to align himself with Ukraine in the conference- all in all I found it timely when Vance stepped in and called for a return to diplomacy, and called out Zelensky for trying to litigate in front of the media- because that was exactly my own perception of the event as it unfolded.
In my own country, neighbor to Russia, the headlines were all about how Trump and Vance bullied Zelensky. It’s a farce. It seems my idiot government wants ww3, with no regard to our proximity to the country that the world’s largest nuclear power will aim their warheads towards.
I’m a retired ESL instructor. You must have patience and understanding. You, fucko—stay in trumpie’s Mar a Lardo rent a room by the hour roach motel…..
Frightening the lack of ability of the host to defuse the situation, which rises the question whose ability to speak nuanced is worse.
Zelensky probably felt quite uncomfortable about the sellout demanded from him. From all viewpoints, Zelensky and Ukraine would be far better off by cutting out the middlemen and talk to Russia directly. Arguably, the Maidan was a huge mistake. The Maidan was, as we may remember, about associating with the EU, which for one came to naught and secondly was against the will of most Ukrainians, albeit by a small margin.
Kyiev International Institute of Sociology, November 2013:
"Which way Ukraine should go - which union should join? (population preferences for two weeks before the Vilnius summit)"
Michael, I'm confused. Why do you say the proposed European security forces would be NATO? I thought Vance, Rubio, and Trump have all said that they want Europe to send in troops to secure the peace deal, but they would explicitly NOT be covered by Article 5 of NATO. So my understanding is if any shooting starts it does not pull in the rest of NATO automatically. I could see the argument that the troops will mostly be using NATO weapons, gear, training, tactics, etc. but legally...crucially...not be considered NATO.
Slava Ukrainii… so, fuck you dude . Zelenskyy is a battle hardened Leader… trumpie sucks Putin’s wickey! So, pal you’re for the incursion of.. Europe?!? You speak in tongues..
Pls do research. Ukraine agreed to become a US colony 35 yrs ago, has been kept alive only by billions of US tax dollars. In 2014 US violently overthrew Ukr's elected government & installed US puppets, eg, "Yats is the guy." US designated Russia a "permanent bad guy" 81 yrs ago in 1944 via Truman. In 1945 Truman dropped 2 nuclear bombs on civilians. In 1946 Truman fired his Sec. of Commerce for giving a speech advocating detente w. Russia. Why? Russia had just lost 25 million lives defeating Hitler. In 1990s when Russia was newly independent US elites plundered Russia & left it for dead. Putin saved his country at death's door. Russia citizens strongly support Putin. Why would US--utterly without provocation--insist Russia is permanent enemy? Answer: To use it as an excuse to bleed US taxpayers to death and prevent needed attention on their own country. US has tried to overthrow 57+ governments since WWII. Pls look up "Domino Theory."
Yeah… WHATEVVA, Miss.. regardless—I stand with a free world.. as for research. Dearie.. I have a Masters Degree… what the fuck are YOUR credentials? Putin 101?
Great guess! Her bio says Liberal Arts, English Lit and Education. Although, one wouldn't know it by her use of vulgar hateful language and ad hominems.
Too bad that wasn't current Kiev mayor and former world heavyweight boxing champ Vitali Klitschko, six foot seven inches tall and very mean, sitting there instead of little Zelensky. How tough would mascara boy Vance and fat pig Trump have acted then? Vitali has a short temper and might have broken Vance in two. ,Ukrainians are genuinely tough people, while Yanks are mostly soft big mouths.
Zelenskyy did not come off looking good here, no matter how "battle hardened" you claim he is. If you really care about the battles being fought (in the trenches, now), why not pursue peace?
policy is the only thing left that matters. Trump's stance on bringing the war to an end with negotiations is the correct path. end of story.
Zelensky is paid to pursue the globalist agenda and the Trump administration isn’t buying.
Seems to me Trump and his butt buddy Vance were the ones melting down.
this take is as juvenile as the language used here
Couldn't care less.
It's actually great that this happened. EU needs to be absolutely smacked the hell down to wake up and start remilitarizing. US should NOT be respected whatsoever, it was always an imperial bully, just like Russia.
Z did what he had to do. His country goes FIRST for him, as US goes first for Amerimutts.
"butt buddy"?
Are you 12?
Are you a wench?
Duh!
Promising.
You see, sometimes you just gotta go 12 on these fat fucks' asses cause they deserve it.
You will forgive me for having below 0 respect for Donald and his team. But wait. Not that I care too much about other politicians. In fact, let's call them all butt buddies cause they deserve it.
Clearly a projection problem at work here
Complete kayfabe. zelensky is a professionally trained entertainer and President trump fashions himself the same. There's no doubt zelensky and president Trump agreed to the parameters of their false debate in advance. Vice president Vance is new to the game and overacted his role. the heatedness of their mutual disagreement pushed the limits of Zelensky's ESL comprehension compared to the native language preparedness of his improv partners.
you are completely delusional! get busy doing your homework
Well, that's a take. . .
The lesson for anyone watching this is as follows: In any negotiation, if you are not certain how your remarks will be taken, SHUT YOUR MOUTH. Trump has, before the Vance interjection, already committed to continuing sending military aid to Ukraine. This situation is very similar to a sales situation. Once the customer has said, "Yes, I am giving you the contract (business, order, etc.) you have one, and only one move. Shut your mouth, look at your watch, and say, "Thank you very much. I enjoyed our meeting. Now, we have a plane to catch and though we hate to rush off, we appreciate your awarding us the business." Stand up, shake their hand and leave before they can change their mind. Not complicated.
Seeing the whole press event I got the impression that some journalist and Zelensky had the instruction to press the security agreement agenda. Trump answered the same questions many times- he would first secure a ceasefire, then there could be talks of security agreements. Zelensky then tried to push a lot of his propaganda in front of the media in order to try to exact some concessions from Trump, he mentioned many times that Putin could not be trusted- as he had not been trustworthy in all the other talks, showing pictures of ill treated Ukrainian soldiers and so on. Some members of the press (those who did not come there to tongue bathe the president) also pushed for Trump to align himself with Ukraine in the conference- all in all I found it timely when Vance stepped in and called for a return to diplomacy, and called out Zelensky for trying to litigate in front of the media- because that was exactly my own perception of the event as it unfolded.
In my own country, neighbor to Russia, the headlines were all about how Trump and Vance bullied Zelensky. It’s a farce. It seems my idiot government wants ww3, with no regard to our proximity to the country that the world’s largest nuclear power will aim their warheads towards.
I’m a retired ESL instructor. You must have patience and understanding. You, fucko—stay in trumpie’s Mar a Lardo rent a room by the hour roach motel…..
Patience and understanding…as you call someone fucko? lol
Can’t make this stuff up.
Maybe Ukraine needs to hold elections, given that Zelensky's term has expired.
It makes me think Zelensky wants to be president for life and this deal means elections could be held again and he would probably lose.
It's not his English, it's his brain! He's retarded from the use of cocaine.
All he does is spin. Nothing he said really made sense
Frightening the lack of ability of the host to defuse the situation, which rises the question whose ability to speak nuanced is worse.
Zelensky probably felt quite uncomfortable about the sellout demanded from him. From all viewpoints, Zelensky and Ukraine would be far better off by cutting out the middlemen and talk to Russia directly. Arguably, the Maidan was a huge mistake. The Maidan was, as we may remember, about associating with the EU, which for one came to naught and secondly was against the will of most Ukrainians, albeit by a small margin.
Kyiev International Institute of Sociology, November 2013:
"Which way Ukraine should go - which union should join? (population preferences for two weeks before the Vilnius summit)"
https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=204&page=2
(use the Google translate function)
Michael, I'm confused. Why do you say the proposed European security forces would be NATO? I thought Vance, Rubio, and Trump have all said that they want Europe to send in troops to secure the peace deal, but they would explicitly NOT be covered by Article 5 of NATO. So my understanding is if any shooting starts it does not pull in the rest of NATO automatically. I could see the argument that the troops will mostly be using NATO weapons, gear, training, tactics, etc. but legally...crucially...not be considered NATO.
All Zelensky needed to do was SHUT HIS MOUTH!
And take off his yoga pants.
Nooooo!
Who knows what he has on underneath?
. . . and to say "thanks, where do I sign?"
Slava Ukrainii… so, fuck you dude . Zelenskyy is a battle hardened Leader… trumpie sucks Putin’s wickey! So, pal you’re for the incursion of.. Europe?!? You speak in tongues..
Pls do research. Ukraine agreed to become a US colony 35 yrs ago, has been kept alive only by billions of US tax dollars. In 2014 US violently overthrew Ukr's elected government & installed US puppets, eg, "Yats is the guy." US designated Russia a "permanent bad guy" 81 yrs ago in 1944 via Truman. In 1945 Truman dropped 2 nuclear bombs on civilians. In 1946 Truman fired his Sec. of Commerce for giving a speech advocating detente w. Russia. Why? Russia had just lost 25 million lives defeating Hitler. In 1990s when Russia was newly independent US elites plundered Russia & left it for dead. Putin saved his country at death's door. Russia citizens strongly support Putin. Why would US--utterly without provocation--insist Russia is permanent enemy? Answer: To use it as an excuse to bleed US taxpayers to death and prevent needed attention on their own country. US has tried to overthrow 57+ governments since WWII. Pls look up "Domino Theory."
Yeah… WHATEVVA, Miss.. regardless—I stand with a free world.. as for research. Dearie.. I have a Masters Degree… what the fuck are YOUR credentials? Putin 101?
LOL. It's probably in Arts, Education, or some equally worthless bs.
Come back when you learn something legit, or at least learn how to spell well enough for those lies you're spinning to seem true.
I myself am a astronaut & I am typing this from space. Seems about as believable as your "Masters."
Great guess! Her bio says Liberal Arts, English Lit and Education. Although, one wouldn't know it by her use of vulgar hateful language and ad hominems.
whatever your degree is in, it has rendered you as juvenile in your opinions as in your unskilled use of language
No, you do not "stand with a free world," Laura.
You stand with the war pigs, who push for endless wars, regardless of the cost in lives or money.
At least be honest with yourself.
Having a Masters' Degree does not mean you don't need to ever research anything. That's a foolish statement.
Why are you so belligerent?
Why not counter with some facts, or are insults all you have?
Too bad that wasn't current Kiev mayor and former world heavyweight boxing champ Vitali Klitschko, six foot seven inches tall and very mean, sitting there instead of little Zelensky. How tough would mascara boy Vance and fat pig Trump have acted then? Vitali has a short temper and might have broken Vance in two. ,Ukrainians are genuinely tough people, while Yanks are mostly soft big mouths.
boohoo we just provide people with money and weapons but we understand we're just pieces of sh** to superior people like you
Oh, so that's how international diplomacy should be conducted?
Ukrainians are tough people, but there just are not enough of them to win this war. How many dead Ukrainians will it take for you to admit this?
Why aren't you over there fighting?
PS Putin sucks ‘wicky’!!!! 😂Ya indoctrinated dumb ass…
Why are you so combative?
Zelenskyy did not come off looking good here, no matter how "battle hardened" you claim he is. If you really care about the battles being fought (in the trenches, now), why not pursue peace?
💙🫵🏼Carville👍🏼🇺🇸🫡
Your commentary on that event is so good, Michael. Thank you. And I agree, HUGE language barrier relative to delicate negotiations.
Why are we still behaving like it's legit at all?
It's just another Orwellian 1984 endless war where both sides are bullshitting.
https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-war-did-not-take-place
https://off-guardian.org/2023/02/21/nordstream-2-seymour-hersh-feeds-the-fake-binary/